i'd probably say "black" sable although not nearly as black as many. our "india" is a gray sable: http://www.sander-haus.com/india.htm actually east german dogs can be laid back if there is not too much czech in them. czech lines descend from east german and alot of east have alot of czech now unless the breeder is one of few who concentrates on east and even those are using czech dogs as there are not that many east available. east have a reputation for being slow to mature and laid back. susan http://www.sander-haus.com Home of Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs Quality West German Show Lines ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================