In a message dated 3/22/2005 11:20:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, Stormy435@xxxxxxx writes: There are many working/herding dogs that need a larger ring. The GSD is one of many. However, many of the sup'ts/ Show Chmn do not reliquish the space because they "say" that we race our dogs around and many large, "moving" dogs don't do that and can handle the smaller ring. Not saying they are right or wrong. Just heard what I heard when asking for a larger ring. And then, get a larger ring, and the handlers "cut" it and the stewards/judges make comments about THAT! There needs to be a quid pro quo here. (Or whatever I'm trying to say LOL) Stormy I wonder..... I know that obedience rules require rings to be a certain size. How about legislating thru AKC for an approved ring size for our breed? What do you think, what would it take? I find it frustrating whenever we do manage to get a big ring and you see the handlers cutting. I love it when the judges remind them to "take them all around, and use the whole ring, please". I pay attention to those judges. They are usually the ones that ask for a loose lead and mean it. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================