And I agree with you completely on the spaying and neutering at such a young age as being wrong. I don't think puppies should have anything done at 8 weeks other than some worming and maybe a first vaccine. And should still be with their mothers and littermates, but thats a whole other ballgame. Katie Halfen DVM Casamoko Shepherds www.casamoko.com From: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:37:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rethinking spay and neutering To: kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx; pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx; stormy435@xxxxxxx CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx katie - i think what peggy, bob and many of us are having a problem with are the juvenile spay/neuters at 8 weeks - not the ones being done at 6 months. no one is arguing the lack of ability and/or responsibility of some owners; what we can't support is harming the puppy's future by altering him/her at 8 weeks of age . diane Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds Skatiebug'z The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com Skater's Blog In a message dated 12/27/2010 3:08:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'm not saying that everyone should spay/neuter their dogs early, but there are certain pet owners who are not responsible and should be told to spay and neuter at 6m. of age. I guess some people don't get this, so let me try to put this in terms that everyone can understand. Would you talk to a homeless about house insurance? Would you discuss retirement plans with someone who is unemployeed? This is the same thing as talking to a person about delayed spaying/neutering to someone who can't housetrain their dog or get them to stop eating the trash. If they can't handle simply pet ownership responsiblities, they probably aren't able to avoid having their dogs get bred and avoid unwanted pregnancies. I hate aborting litters of kittens and puppies due to people's ignorance and I think this would make that a more common procedure. Katie Halfen DVM Casamoko Shepherds www.casamoko.com > From: pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx > To: Stormy435@xxxxxxx; kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx > CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rethinking spay and neutering > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:16:22 -0500 > > Every report I've seen on early spay/neuter in the past few years has been > very much against it...the benefits are not worth the risks. > That's the overall opinion...anyone who thinks otherwise probably needs to > do more research...vet or not. > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stormy Hope" <Stormy435@xxxxxxx> > > > > Katie, isn't there much more involved than an unwanted litter when > > discussing early sterilizing? I have now read so many research papers > > on the subject and the consensus is beginning to tilt that it is much > > more dangerous to a dog's health than not, especially sterilizing > > before the age of 2 to 2.5. Bone development is a big factor, bone > > cancer of the long bones, and we are beginning to see studies that > > there is more obesity problems with castrated males, more aggression > > with spayed females, side effects of urinary incontinence. Also > > cardiac hemangiosarcoma, with both sexes, vulva, and vaginal problems > > in the female, and so much more. > > > > I'm just pulling these out of my memory hat, but I could probably add > > to the list. > > > ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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