[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rethinking spay and neutering
- From: Denise Williams <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:29:05 -0800 (PST)
I feel the same way. Two intact males, two intact females. I watch 'em like a
hawk. Crated, segregated, rotated, inside, outside in shifts for two weeks
plus.
No one was ever alone. Accidents do happen, my male climbed up his kennel, but
if you are a typical pet owner with one dog, you should be able to keep track
of
that one.
Denise WilliamsChopper, Chase, Phoenix and Flare
http://www.showgermanshepherds.info
for show and performance
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From: Suzanne <tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: gsd list <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Stormy435@xxxxxxx;
kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx;
pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:14:04 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rethinking spay and neutering
Is funny how different cultures think. In most European countries altering
is considered a sign of irresponsible ownership. If you can't control your
dog's breeding you shouldn't own dogs! Y ou shouldn't HAVE to alter to control
breeding. I've never seen a loose dog in Germany or any other E uropean
country in which I've travelled. I've only see one stray cat. Personally I
think we jus t take t he easy way out.
Suzanne
www.tsalishepherds.com where sables rule!!
Home of BIS/MBISS Ch Yancy HT PT RE CD TC CGC BH, UCICB CAC Int Ch Helios IPO3
AD HIC CGC CHIC, BIS Ch Gilli RN CHIC, Ch Mojito CHIC, Ch Kane, Ch Flair CHIC,
AKC/Int Ch Jezzy CHIC, Anna TC, Nikki, and the Wreckin' Crew!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Neiman" <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Stormy435@xxxxxxx, kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "gsd list" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:49:14 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rethinking spay and neutering
If research is reccomending that animals aren't spayed or neutered until they
are 2 plus then how does that prevent the unwanted pregnanacies? Most males are
sexuallly actice at 9 months and females around the same time. The last thing I
want to do do is get a call from a pet buyer telling me their 9 momth bitch is
pg by the neighor hood romeo or by their house dog.
Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich.
Owner Barkalot's Felonious Assault AKA Brat and the other half of B'N'B
Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN
Co-owner of UKC�ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo
Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow
Proud member of the GSDC of Am. since 1996
Stand up for what you believe in,
even if you are standing alone.
�
--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rethinking spay and neutering
To: Stormy435@xxxxxxx, kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "gsd list" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 5:16 PM
Every report I've seen on early spay/neuter in the past few years has been
very much against it...the benefits are not worth the risks.
� That's the overall opinion...anyone who thinks otherwise probably needs to
do more research...vet or not.
� Peggy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stormy Hope" <Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
> Katie, isn't there much more involved than an unwanted litter when
> discussing early sterilizing?� I have now read so many research papers
> on the subject and the consensus is beginning to tilt that it is much
> more dangerous to a dog's health than not, especially sterilizing
> before the age of 2 to 2.5.���Bone development is a big factor, bone
> cancer of the long bones, and we are beginning to see studies that
> there is more obesity problems with castrated males, more aggression
> with spayed females, side effects of urinary incontinence.� Also
> cardiac hemangiosarcoma, with both� sexes, vulva, and vaginal problems
> in the female, and so much more.
>
> I'm just pulling these out of my memory hat, but I could probably add
> to the list.
>
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