Again This list was started by conformation people to get away from the many wor= king dog lists and genric gsd lists as a safe haven for conformation people. This list has never been presented as the Unofficial official list There are numerous working dog lists, herding, agility, obedience lists This one is about conformation and hence, people will ask about champions. Someone wrote You're both right...conformation does control the GSDCA, and it always will...but Deena is also correct in stating that we working dog people fee= l extremely segregated from the community. The majority of the time, when I wish to give my input, I am asked, "How m= any champions have YOU finished?" And they know the answer is none. But beca= use I have not finished any Champions yet, is my opinion/advice to be ignored?= I'm still a member of the breed. I see many a junior being shot down too (though I'm sure many of you will disagree). Because they are young and n= ew to the breed, their feelings and opinions are not considered. The working people feel unwelcome because the working discussions are shut= down, and, while this is a conformation list, perhaps it should not be considered the "unofficial official list of the GSDCA" because even if it= is an "unofficial official" list, the word official in there, to me, implies tha= t working discussions would be allowed (when I say working, I mean herding and schutzhund, I personally consider everything else to be performance). Or, there will be a post made about herding that is acceptable (even if it= is "just a brag") but making a brag about your dog going HIT, HOT, SchH III i= s a nono. It would be nice if somebody extended a hand to the working people to say "Welcome aboard" or vice versa, but the comaraderie just isn't there, and = it should be. We've got 5 types of shepherd, but it is still one breed. - Jackie =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the origin= al author and of GSD Comm unication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted wit= hout prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.= ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY = MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WH ICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO = THE POST AND THE LIST MAN AGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF TH= IS PROHIBITION WILL BE PR OSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Dr Zo=EB M Backman http://wynsumgsd.com Support Your Vets and POW/MIAs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================