This year IF people had to choose one or the other - At Great Lakes there would have been 5-7 TOTAL entries in the Amateur Futurity/Maturity. If that had happened everyone would be calling it a failure and we may not have had a chance to try it again next year with such a low entry. This is the first year of this trial and the Great Lakes Amateur Fut/Mat had 23 entries. I'm sorry, but that's not too shabby. It's more than most puppy matches get these days and it got a few eager young handlers in the ring, gave them some experience under less stressful conditions, and hopefully have them addicted to showing forever - like the rest of us. I agree that we need to make some adjustments. But AFTER all 3 Amateur events are finished and all input is taken from everyone who showed. Not just one or two people. Everyone. That is inclusion and encouragement. From those I talked to and heard from at the Great Lakes Amateur event, just about everyone thought it was a good idea and would do it again. I have only heard of one person involved who had negative statements about it. Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: dgraham@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:14 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] resend Amateur futurity- without garble Sorry resending this post without the garble I keep forgetting that my one email seems to ad a bunch of garble onto the posts when they go to the list If dogs that hadn't been entered in the regular futurity hadn't been entered there would have basically been no amateur futurity. Ann I don't agree with this statement. Now grant it alot of the dogs that were entered in the amateur Venue were Also in the regular futurity this year but I think that had a lot more to do with seeing how things were going to work out with the amateur venue and there were only a few that wanted to give it a try. I think it would be better if we had to choose which venue to participate in. That way the same animal isn't winning both and it gives someone else a chance to take another quality Animal on to the national. Or enter both but if your animal does win in the regular futurity (BIF, BOF, or any of the reserves) Then they are no longer eligible to Compete for the amateur division. Somewhat like the Novice class if you win a point you no longer compete in novice. I think that would make if more fair for the dogs AND handlers It would be a little more encouraging to be in an amateur setting knowing your not competing with Yesterdays Big winners. As far as limiting who can handle any amateur should be ok (Don't think judges should be included ) Why not on the Amateur entry form have a statement such as they do with the Junior handlers It states : By signing the entry form I certify that the Junior Showman does not now, and will not at any time , act as an agent/handler for pay while continuing to compete in Junior Showmanship I'm sure this could be reworded to fit the amateur entries somehow. Just a few thoughts. Donna lhund's Sierra Mist,CD,RA,CGC Adelhund's Count of Monte Cristo RN,TC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================