In a message dated 7/17/2006 3:25:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Oh I see...you know more than the founder of our breed.You are saying in essence that we should turn our heads to what the founder of our breed found unacceptable because YOU don't think it matters. White dogs, undershot bites..serious faults of gait..weak backs..hanging ears doesn't mean squat..Hell we just might as well throw the whole damn standard out the window..after all what did Capt. Max know when we have you and other like you who say these things don't matter? You have told me everything I need to know.and..I think you have proven my point quite well. Now I am going to quit mincing words. Here's the deal, for some of you this is really about conformation vs. obedience and of course..as usual some of you who don't exhibit in conformation can't be content with what you do..what it boils down to is this is an "acceptance" problem for >>>>>>>>>> OK, THIS IS GOING TO GET US NOWHERE, NOT THE PROS OR THE CON SIDE...Come on folks we are better than this mudslinging. We are trying to be productive here, not defamatory. There will be people that are a "go" for this, people that are undecided, and those that say no way....but ripping each other apart, is not the way to see this constructively is it????? Lets try again.....its hot outside all over the country, the subject is about an addition to or bolstering of the TT for the National Selects...not about neener neener, and "if you don't like it then don't go" or who more right. We need to see the subject from all sides, and see it clearly. Hard to do with mud in our eyes. Kathy _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ~ WEBSITE UPDATED: MAY 27, 2006 Home of CH. ELVASTON'S NATIONS CUP, TC, OFA H/E DNA'D "NITRO" 25 BISS/ BESTS OF BREED TO DATE 2006 PACIFIC COAST VICTOR ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================