In a message dated 7/17/2006 2:39:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: So bottom line..good character temperament and trainability is determined by the standard bar set by the breeder not by some easily circumvented gun/TC test. Yes Christine that is an undeniable fact, but we have to start somewhere..not everyone is as accountable in their programs as you.... and the problem perpetuates. Kathy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================