Kathy..I don' think you addressed my suggestion (or I overlooked it) As a matter of fact MANY of you who have been very vocal about adding more for a select have sidestepped my suggestion, that being:.If you truly want to raise the standard bar..then make ALL performance GSD's have a select rating..Why just pay lip service to the total dog. Keep in mind that Bull was a top ATAA sire for 4-5 years in a row. He had a TC..and an HIC he has progeny that are doing schutzhund, herding, agility rally and obedience, search and rescue. The reason he was so dominant for producing soundness in all areas of GSD temperament( yes some bitches bred to him were not sound by my standards) was due to our diligence in preserving good trainability and character.That standard bar we set is probably higher than most of you set..I know because I have had private discussions about temperament with some of you and what some of you deem as acceptable I would not..I don't not have a gun shy or storm shy dog at my home. When I started conformation..I gave up obedience competition, but I still maintained that standard of trainability and character that I had when I did obedience.I know the subtle signs of a "spook".Signs that most of you miss even though you tout yourselves as temperament "gurus." I know that some of you "think" you have soundness..but some of your animals would not be sound by my standard . Just a couple of years back a judge dismissed a dog or two for poor temperament at a specialty show on the West coast. I heard every excuse under the sun..naturally all were the judges fault. Now some of these same people are requesting more stringent temperament evaluation for selects..give me a break..easy to say when you a) aren't showing a special..or b) have one not worthy of a select.Some feel, since that can't "play" that new rules need to be made for everyone else that is "playing". As for a TC for conformation selects..at the end of the day..what will that prove..a few squirts of Relax or some other "herbal" remedy and the most flaming spook could pass it. So bottom line..good character temperament and trainability is determined by the standard bar set by the breeder not by some easily circumvented gun/TC test. C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: <Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>; <MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 7/17/2006 2:39:54 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: requirements > > > In a message dated 7/17/2006 7:04:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > ) the Select > rating is the best we have to evaluate the cream of the crop. So , you > people truly want the "total" dog..then you should have no problem with > this requirment.C.Grainger > > > > Well Christine, > You would think that people would embrace things to make our 'best' be held > to a better, higher standard. I think much of the hew and cry is fear (OMG , > what if my Ch. blows it? What if I am forced to re-assess my breeding line?) > or from plain ole apathy....don't care, don't know, don't even want to > bother. These individuals will put up a fight against anything new or different, > if it means we just don't sail along with the hear no evil, see no evil, and > every GSD ever born, finished and certainly in "MY KENNEL "couldn't need a > higher standard of evaluation. > > To progress in ANY endevor you must raise the bar, strive to a higher level, > seek excellence, and test and try and ferret out weakness and problems, > potential or existing.....to remain static INSURES failure sooner or later. > There are people that actively seek progress and others that are happy to leave > skeletons undisturbed. Like you, we prefer to move forward, and look to what > we may address, how, and what benefits will be reaped from doing so, as well > as addressing issues that bring no honor to this breed. > > Kathy > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. 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