you don't have to touch the skin. just put it on snug which might feel tight o you and have the prongs on the adam's apple. that's the only way I can describe it. I have used a collar once a bitch who was a barker, she first figured out that if she paused in between a bark she would not get shocked, then she figured out how to move the collar away from the adam's apple and not get shocked. We are working with German Shepherds here, they are to smart!!!! ; ) Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: susan sanchez <sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: cheradongsd@xxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 11:55 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] re-my barking girl-thanks but collar doesn't work... I feel for you, I have 2 that SCREAM, they don't bark, they scream. they est the bark collars too! figure out how low of a pitch they can get out ut at least they are not screaming and fence running. they are only out a couple hours at a time because of the carrying on. I ind that if I take a male away too, they are not as bad. he's the nstigator but stands there, who me? I'm not barking. you don't have to touch the skin. just put it on snug which might feel tight o you and have the prongs on the adam's apple. that's the only way I can describe it. good luck, susan www.sander-haus.com Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs Quality West German & European Showlines Selectively breeding, not mass producing. Members of the GSDCA, GSDCA-WDA, SV of Germany New titled male, Eros! New VA8 Bojan daughter(Vegas), Friesa! New VA1 Pakros/Naxos grdaughter, Daesha! ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================