It is such a puzzle really why some owners cannot have a dog that lives to be old. For example, my brother in Vegas, has had 4 of my dogs. His first lived to be 13 [great]. 2nd to 5 [DM]. 3rd to 8 [Diabetes]. 4th to 12 [good]. The first, 3rd and 4th dogs were my bloodlines, top and bottom. The 2nd was from my dam but sired by an outside stud dog. DM & Diabetes [brought on by using a cancer medication for periannal fistula]. I felt really bad for my brother and worked really hard to try to find answers, for I kept one of the siblings to the 3rd dog, and she ultimately became the best bitch I ever produced, living into her 14th year and producing solid healthy pups over and over again. My conclusion leans towards the dog's environment and health-care. I do think a lot of owners do not know how to care for dogs [house-feed-support & train]. I think they are too slow to react when something appears suspicious, or they simply cannot recognize a problem when it faces them because they have little knowledge on the subject. Other environments...If your water comes from a well, was it tested? Are the dogs ignored and outside or are they living in the home and worked? What quality of food? Yeah, you can tell this really bothered me.. 50% of the pups that went to my brother were defective. Absolutely unacceptable. Kate @ Rockannand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: "PagairsGSD" <pagairs@xxxxxxx>, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Cc: terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx, Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, 16 June, 2013 12:53:23 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: re health and genetics question So as I continue reading the consensus is that the GSD lifespan now 9-10? As I read the older GSD Reviews and todays I see that coming into play as correct today. Yes, some are living older but most I am seeing are being lost before 9. I have had many friends losing their GSD's ages 2-6 due to various cancers or DM 5-8. These dogs were not pet breeders either but did the testing for ED and HD. The breeder I got my last GSD from tests for everything even diseases that the GSD is not known to get yet. Theresa ________________________________ From: PagairsGSD <pagairs@xxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: re health and genetics question their dogs are older and if losing a dog at 9-10 years of age Let's face reality here, Gary ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================