In a message dated 1/7/2005 12:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Stormy435@xxxxxxx writes: any contract that incorporates something illegal, requiring a spay/neuter and withholding papers until it is done illegal???? by the time they pay an attorney, they could have paid the asking price to have the breeding rights......the buyers are aware before they sign the contract of the requirements in the contract that goes along with the puppy...no one is holding a gun to their head to buy the puppy if they do NOT like the requirements....many here in my area could care less if they get papers on their puppy...their main concern is the price and temperament ....also when one places their ad, they can state puppies will be sold on spay/neuter contract only and then they can go to another breeder if they dont like what is required.....most i have talked to, dont want to breed as they have heard about the genetic nightmares in both the german and american lines.....i have talked to some german line breeders and they are having trouble getting over 250.00 for a pet and they will NOT sell with the breeding rights for that price....i will give my puppies away after i do the spay/neuter myself when they are older rather than give away my bloodlines for 250.00...this is one of the main reasons, people quit showing as too difficult to sell their puppies to help with the showing expenses...in my contract, it states what my asking price is for breeding rights and keeping puppy intact or a spay/neuter of said puppy..also they sign that they do NOT want the papers so i cannot be accused of withholding the papers if that is their choice where some want to keep the puppy intact but do NOT want to breed or neuter...the men dont want their males neutered, where the women dont want puppies as too much responsibility raising their own children Natalie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================