This was years ago......there was no DNA testing for coats at that time......only long coat breedings.......<G>......which was the point of Ann and my posts......and no....... the test now is not done through the Parent Club. Not their responsibility. I'm not sure we need "mandatory" anything! Get enough of that in our Government. <G> I know of no DNA marker our Parent Club paid $70,000 for? They have donated funds to some medical research & testing through DNA, etc.............? I hardly think coats are high on that priority. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Neiman To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: questioning 'coats'.... Maybe it's time to do a mandatory DNA test for the coat gene. Is that like the DNA marker that the GSDCA paid $70,000 for. Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:00 PM Typically I would assume that was more than enough proof.........but then.......I know of a much used stud dog that was listed in the Review years ago as not carrying the coat factor. When he was about 7 years old..........that changed. <G> Have had quite a few change the 'status' later of their studs listed on my No Coat Factor list Maybe it's an 'age thing'..................<G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula M. Cooke To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 Not really. Anecdotes are not 100%; DNA is definitive. An example of anecdotal breeding info: I had a friend who bred two champions to each other. They followed the whole litter to death. No signs of DM. They repeated the breeding. They followed the whole litter to death. EVERY one of the offspring had DM. That is anecdotal; it proves nothing. Genetic mathematics is practically infinite. Paula, 59 days and counting From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxxxxxx: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:41:35 EDT That is as good as any DNA Test...LOL edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Carolyn, I have people that want DNA results that guarantees AOE Ch Mechanical Bull doesn't carry the coat gene. He has had 5 litters out of coated bitches, NO coats. <G> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================