No, it is not an age thing; it is a DNA thing. They either carry the factor, or they don't. Phenotype does not always mirror genotype! Paula, 59 days and counting Home of Best in Show, Best in Specialty Show, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award Recipient, AKC JAM/AOE, International and American Champion, Grand Champion Asgard Harley Davidson v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows, Cardiac, & Thyroid), DNA tested clear of the long-coat factor. #1 Male German Shepherd Dog in the Country, #4 German Shepherd Dog in the Country, as of 7/31/10 (Canine Chronicles) First male German Shepherd Dog Grand Champion. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: questioning 'coats'.... Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:00:57 -0700 <!--CTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//E--><div>Typically I would assume that was more than enough proof.........but then.......I know of a much</div><div>used stud dog that was listed in the Review years ago as not carrying the coat factor. </div><div>When he was about 7 years old..........that changed. <G></div><div>Have had quite a few change the 'status' later of their studs listed on my No Coat Factor list</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Maybe it's an 'age thing'..................<G></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Carolyn <a href="mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><a href="http://www.marhaven.com/";>www.Marhaven.com</a></div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left: #000000 2px solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><div style="font: 10pt arial;">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black;"><strong>From:</strong> <a title="pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx" href="mailto:pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx";>Paula M. Cooke</a> <strong>To:</strong> <a title="showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" href="mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, August 13, 2010 1:09 PM<strong>Subject:</strong> [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question about coated Grand Ch. bitch</div><div></div><div>Not really. Anecdotes are not 100%; DNA is definitive. <br>An example of anecdotal breeding info: <br>I had a friend who bred two champions to each other. They followed the whole litter to death. No signs of DM.<br>They repeated the breeding. They followed the whole litter to death. EVERY one of the offspring had DM.<br>That is anecdotal; it proves nothing. <br>Genetic mathematics is practically infinite.<br>Paula, 59 days and counting<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxxxxxx";>DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:41:35 EDT</div><div><br>That is as good as any DNA Test...LOL<br> <br> <br><a href="mailto:edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> writes:<br>Carolyn,<br>I have people that want DNA results that guarantees AOE Ch Mechanical Bull doesn't carry the coat</div><div>gene. He has had 5 litters out of coated bitches, NO coats. <G></div></blockquote></html> ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c662001de0bf6c005fst03duc ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================