[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question about coated Grand Ch. bitch
- From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx
- To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:41:35 EDT
That is as good as any DNA Test...LOL
In a message dated 8/13/2010 11:32:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Carolyn,
I have people that want DNA results that guarantees AOE Ch Mechanical Bull
doesn't carry the coat gene. He has had 5 litters out of coated bitches,
NO coats. <G>
Ann
www.edangsd.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: cheradongsd@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:50:45 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: question about coated Grand Ch. bitch
The problem of course is that the GSD is supposed to be one of the few
"natural" Breeds. You can
show a coat if you choose to......but you are not supposed to trim them!
Show them as a "natural" coat.
You can show a dog with a missing tooth if you choose to......but don't
insert a fake tooth! Show them
with a missing tooth! <G>
The Color Guard daugter you mentioned called Diva is a gorgeous sister to
Debbie Kaser's beautiful
Am. Can. Sel. CH. Mariner's Aria D'Arte......and Diva would have finished
easily had she not been a coat.
When she was shown.......she was shown honestly......... in FULL coat.
Diva was bred to our Booker ( AOE Am.Can.CH. Elvaston's Southern Byrne...)
for her first breeding...
and produced two male pups. One became Champion Mar Haven's Mr. Beau
Jangles. and is pictured
on the 'Booker's Kids' page of our web site....along with his beautiful
brother Ramblin' Man who the
owner never showed as planned. Diva's beautiful sister Aria is on the
'Boss kids' page.....and yes,
it was a Boss son to a Boss daughter breeding. Same as BONO
was........<G>
I hear all the time about coats being needed to improve plush, shoulder,
or whatever. But in general ....we
do not use a coat in our breeding program..... ever. We simply don't
give up the space of keeping our
dog population at an ideal SIX just to keep a coat. PLUS, we live in
the Country..i.e. stickers...<G>
Diva was the beautiful exception, and we thank Debbie Kaser for her
allowing us to lease her. Diva
is how we proved Booker did not carry the coat factor before DNA testing.
Now.....we simply DNA test <G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
From: cheradongsd@xxxxxxx
Hello,
I have been reading some of the list posts on the subject of the coated
GSDs and saw that many said that the new "Grand Ch." bitch is a coat.???
Well, I just got my Review last nite and saw her pic there-and I guess she
does look like she could be a coat--groomed to perfection--but still a
coat. She is rather pretty tho.
I personally dont have a problem with that-coats are NOT a serious
fault--just a fault-like missing teeth-only difference is you can see the coat
and
if you dont look for them-you cant see the missing teeth. Which one is
worse? The missing teeth is worse in my opinion. Coats as many have said
are usually the best ones in the litter-I have had them before and they are
usually the darkest, prettiest, most intelligent, best conformation, best
shoulder, best structure, best attitude, best temperment, etc etc etc of
all the pups in the litter. What is the problem here folks???
They are great to breed because they CAN help you get more plush coats in
your dogs-along with all their other attributes.
I also happened to notice that on page 43 of this Review, in the ROM bitch
section, is a very pretty dark bitch whose name is "Mariner's Diva
D'Arte", TC ROM--she has 80 ROM pts--she is a Color Guard daughter, the
picture is
of her as 4th Senior Bitch S.W. Futurity 2001 with Sally Hayden as
judge---and I would like for someone to convince me that she IS NOT a COAT !!
hmmmmmm--she sure looks like a coat to me. And I can see she seems to
have great pigment (which we need in the breed) and a great shoulder and rear
and topline and etc etc--and OH MY!! She sure does look like a Coat !!
IN THE FUTURITY no less !!
What is the problem here? I dont see one.
My ONLY concern with showing coated dogs is that humans have a tendency to
"over" exaggerate things--like with some of the really extreme rears I
have seen on some GSD for example--so if we DID start showing coats--I am
afraid that it would become another of those "my coat is better than your
coat"
things and pretty soon we would have coats in the ring with hair down to
and dragging on the ground.
Personally--I like coated GSD--I think they are beautiful. I just might
go and buy one.
Might help me better my own breeding.
Ok-now I will go back to lurking before the daggers start flying my way.
Cheri Hunt
Cheradon Shepherds http://www.cheradonshepherds.com/index.html
Home of Ch. Cheradon AchtungErynbrook Molokai, TC, OFA H&E, PA,TH,CA, Eyes
Cert. and Certificate of Health Merit Excellent from the GSDCA (aka Ch.
Mikey)
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