[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: puppy training and the GSD
- From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx" <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx" <arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT)
As many of you know, this (positive only) is the new trend in obedience
training. I really do not think it is the way to go for gsd puppies! It is
like the permissive parenting that resulted in "the entitlement generation"
that teachers and employers struggle with today. I don't want to see my puppy
buyers raising gsds that feel "entitled" to bite them, jump up on them, pull
them down the street, run wild because they feel like it, etc. While I did not
spank my children, and don't beat my dogs, I do enforce boundaries and limits.
Biting me is never allowed. Rule # 1. If a puppy is not biting me at the
moment, and I give it a cookie, am I teaching the puppy not to bite me? I
doubt it. I thank Sue for her post about this. The last thing we need is more
gsds in rescue for undue aggression!
Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
www.riverrockgermanshepherds.com
Generations of Dually-Titled Champions
and Protective Companions for a Changing World
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> From: Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx
>Cc: German Shepherd <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:15 AM
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: puppy training and the GSD
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>It sounds to me like the people who were teaching the dog training have no
>clue as to what they are doing and totally have this puppy thinking it is okay
>to do what he wants and he will get a cookie even if he does something wrong.
>It certainly is not the dog's fault!!!
>
>Amy Greenhut
>Justrock German Shepherds
>Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises And Tortoise Rescue
>Board Member Last Hope Safe Haven
>http://www.lhsh.org/
>Behold The Turtle. He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out
>A Quote By James Conant
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>From: "Sue Tomlinson" <arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: "The list" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:33:21 AM
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] puppy training and the GSD
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>I am very frustrated right now. I have a beautiful puppy coming back to
>me shortly. Champion sired, ofa's on both ends of parents, beautiful
>pedigree, deep red sable. Sound, sweet tempered parents.
>Puppy is almost 7 months old. The owners tried to do everything right.
>Took him to puppy classes starting at 9 weeks, where an older puppy
>jumped on him and began to drag him around. This went on every week for 8
>weeks. Instructor said " let them play!" so the owners did.
>The 8 week course was a "Champion of my Heart" training. In other
>words, all positive, no choke collars, no martingales, nothing but a soft
>buckle collars. You weren't allowed to use the word no, or a corrective
>sound. You followed the puppy around and when it sat you praised it and
>gave it a cookie. As the weeks went on you could "position" your puppy and
>then, of course, give it a cookie.
>Not surprisingly, at the end of 8 weeks the puppy knew little more than
>sit and to run from bigger dogs.
>So, another 8 week class was in order. At home, if the puppy was doing
>something it shouldn't the owners were told to distract the puppy with a
>toy and then....you guessed it! Give a cookie! By 5 months the puppy was
>destroying things in the house, jumping up on people and had begun barking
>at people coming to the house. The owners did what they were told and
>would distract him with a toy or cookie and then give him a cookie! Guess
>what he has learned?
>The first time they brought him out to start training with me they told me
>not to look him in the eye or he would bark at me. The puppy began to jump
>around and pull the owners all over the place. The wife immediately said,
>"Wait!" I have cookies in the car and ran to get the cookies.
>Training went pretty well for 3 weeks with them coming every week. They
>were told: " German Shepherds Need a Leader!!" and I tried to enforce that
>with them by setting up situations. Sadly they called to tell me the dog
>had bitten the husband and they no longer wanted him as he was dangerous.
>Here's what happened: the now almost 7 month old puppy was playing with
>the 20 year old daughter. He was pawing at her and biting at her hands.
>She would grab his face and push on it. Soon she was tired of the game
>and wanted the puppy to leave her alone. She called her Dad, who told the
>dog to stop ( yeah right ) and when he didn't he grabbed the puppies
>collar. The puppy turned his head and grabbed the man's arm. He didn't
>break the skin, just pinched him. So much wrong here.
>Sorry to vent, but this puppy wasn't given a fair shake either. I will
>try and re-train and then find a home with people who are leaders. The
>puppy's owner did tell me there were 3 other shepherds in the class and the
>instructor had commented "she didn't know what was wrong with Shepherds
>today". Sigh..
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