I have actually placed a couple of girls with the stipulations you mention (someone wants a showdog, but doesn't want to breed) and actually, my younger GSD girl is on a similar co-ownership agreement. When it comes to the leasing, you can either pay money to lease the bitch - usually the cost of a showpup in Dals, or offer the 2nd pick pup in exchange.. Some people are ready for another showdog by the time you do the litter. Our contract is a co-ownership contract (for my younger GSD), but we have the chance at 2nd pick pup as our first GSD is almost 9 years old. Yes, the person leasing would be responsible for ALL the bills related to the breeding/the litter - health, food, etc. If it is a local bitch I am leasing, I do the breedings and then send her home for the duration of her pregnancy (pay for her food, etc). I usually get them about 2 weeks before the whelping and then they are my responsibility for the next however long. For long distance leases, I keep the bitch for the period of time specified. Also make sure to put in my contracts that if something should happen to the bitch while in my possesion (or if I am leasing a bitch to someone) that there is no liability. That is when things get the ugliest - somethng happens to the bitch and a lawsuit breaks out... No amount of money will ever replace the bitch, so why even go there. Many people will disagree with me on this idea, but it has always worked well. Make sure EVERYTHING is in writing... that way everyone knows where they stand.. BTW: Like Kathy's situation, I have let people raise pups and pay for the bills, but I prefer to do it myself as I get to know the pups better and I know what I am dealing with for temperaments, especially on Dal pups. Something that also works well and I am hoping can be done with my young GSD bitch is doing the whelping and raising the pups for 6 - 7 weeks and then sending them to live with the co-breeders so they can evaluate them, etc... Change of scenery is excellent socializing for the babies and then my dog doesn't have to go anywhere :-) But then, if she does, I know she'll love it there too. JMHO Jess M.Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC _________________________________________________________________ E-mail for the greater good. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================