Don't worry, Laurie, when I made my post I started getting posts in agreement even before I saw it on my own computer! What some people fail to realize is that none of these posts mean that we don't all love the specialty shows. What some people are tired of, however, is the fact that they can't win with dog A...until dog A is with a particular handler, or some other "trade off" takes place...and when that happens, that's politics, folks. As Tom C said...when a dog is shown extensively and can't get even one point and then changes handlers and starts to win big time, whether it's at the all breeds or the specialties, there is something going on that has nothing to do with the dogs. And Randy, I'm sorry if you think that all the crooks are at the all breed shows. They are most definitely not. The only judge that ever tried to influence me was a German Shepherd judge/breeder/exhibitor. The only one. And tried it at the all breeds and at specialties as well. As for the lunchtime conversations at the all breed shows, you must be very lucky that you sat with people who even talked about dogs...most of the time the judges I know are talking about assignments, health, travel, anything but dogs. Very boring. Laurie never said that all the specialty judges were crooks. Percentage wise, the number is probably the same as at the all breeds...but this is a Shepherd list, and yes, sir, a lot of the specialty judges are as crooked as they come. The rest are just fine. Peggy pruett@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >I did not say all judges, Randy, but there are a fair number that play the >game. > As Peggy said, politics exist everywhere, but nowhere are they more apparent >than in the specialty ring. We need to remember that "perception is reality" >and many who perceive that there is a problem with biased judging are no longer >playing the specialty game. It's too darn expensive to play if they feel that >they don't have a fair shot with a quality animal. Hence, the shift of the >major entries from the specialty rings to the all-breed ring. It is a growing >trend, like it nor not. > >You don't happen to be a judge that plays that game so you don't need to be >insulted. > >Judging by the number of private responses, I'm not the only one who feels this >way. I am, apparently, the only one dumb enough to put my opinion on the list. > >Laurie > > > >Quoting RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx: > > >> I am not niave enough to think that politics are not >>present at Specialty events, but to say a lot of Specialty Judges are crooks >>just is not true! If you want to see politics in action, just attend one of >>the >>Judges luncheons at an AB show and keep you ears open. You will be amazed! >> > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================