In a message dated 3/13/2007 8:10:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, whit@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: IMO the 80% market is a market that people like Hunte created by filling malls with cute little puppies which contribute to the pet overpopulation and the AKC supports it. Just like drug dealers create their market. They are creating a need, not filling a need. Nancy There are certainly impulse buyers, no doubt about it. But maybe you haven't had to field as many calls from people looking for a "hobby breeder" or "good" breeder and had nowhere to send them as I have. If it's 80% or 60% or 50% who cares? There are a LOT of people who can't find a dog from the avenues "we" suggest. They are going to find a dog one way or the other. There's nothing in rescue locally and I sent Jamie a link the other day for a no-kill Humane Shelter where I've gone to speak and when I sent the link, guess how many dogs they had for adoption???? Zero, zip, nada. They had cats and a few bunnies, and oh yeah, a pig. How would you suggest we (the "fancy" and/or the AKC) reach out to puppy buyers even though we don't have a puppy for them and they don't choose an avenue we approve of to purchase their puppy? It would be a good thing to do no? From a lot of perspectives; not only for the new doggy owner but to increase registrations, spark interest, maybe entries and club memberships, educate the new owner...no? I was OK with the idea of registering a puppy at the point of sale, but if you aren't, OK fine, but instead of repeating "puppy mills are bad", "puppy mills are bad", "puppy mills are bad", can you get by that and say...OK, now what? Here is a constructive concrete suggestion, "....". How do we bring this new puppy owner into the fold, raise the bar and move forward? You aren't going to shut off supply as long as there is an overwhelming demand, and there most certainly is. The AKC realized this a long, LONG time ago. I'm reminded of it every time someone class for a puppy and I have nowhere to send them. So what do you suggest, turn our collective backs or reach out to improve the situation. (Caution; if you choose the later, you'll be accused of sleeping with the devil, selling your soul or worse!) Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================