I want to apologize to Karen C., Carolyn M., Gayle A. and members of the list for accidentally sending a PRIVATE message to the list in error. It was a rough draft of what I wanted to say. Here's the final version of my message: Gayle Arrington and I are co-founders of the White German Shepherd Dog Club of America (WGSDCA). The WGSDCA has always been in agreement with the White German Shepherd Dog Club International, Inc.'s (WGSDCII) views opposing breed separation. The WGSDCA's split with the WGSDCII was based entirely on political differences. I was fortunate to be a member in the audience during the three club's presentation in St. Louis. The speakers for both the WGSDCA and the WGSDCII were in complete agreement and accord and complimented each other in their presentations. I am sure that both Clubs would be happy to see that you get copies of their written presentations if you wish to compare them. Both the WGSDCA and WGSDCII compliment each other when it comes to breeding dogs. They follow their Club's standards that are close to those found in the GSDCA's breed standard. Both Clubs have members that support each others shows. Any differences between the two Clubs deal only with procedures. Of course, the two clubs differ greatly from the American White Shepherd Association (AWSA) which is aspiring to become a separate breed. I guess you must be referring to those who represented AWSA when you say they could not even agree on a name of a breed to take to AKC since dogs owned by members of both the WGSDCA and WGSDCII will continue their proud heritage of being called GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS. I don't recall at any time during the presentation that either the WGSDCA, or the WGSDCII, were not in accord or requesting any resolution. Anne Utter ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================