I have still never used progesterone testing on any of my girls. If I am traveling I rely on a smear. My vets have never steered me wrong. The only miss was when I left a girl with someone on a Saturday and the vet said her prime days were Sunday and Monday. They did not take her for AI until Wednesday. That was the third miss with that girl and I never tried again. I think she had her grandmother's genes and she was not able to be bred until she was 6! With my Tibetan Spaniels, I have mostly relied on the dogs to let me know and have gotten by frequently on just one breeding. I've only had one accidental breeding in almost 30 years. Tibetan Spaniels stay in season for at least 4 weeks and you really have to add a few days of protection after that. I did not know that and let a girl loose on her 28th day. My male tied her and she had 3 puppies. In the long run, I think it was a good thing for her to have that early litter as she was small. She whelped 3 more litters with no problems and she was pushing 6 when she had her last one. Out of her 4 litters she has 8 champions. I have a good friend who can do AIs if the dogs cannot accomplish a natural breeding. If I can't get it done at home, I just call her and pack them up for a trip! My most favorite story of GSD breeding was the time I had to trick a bitch. She was experienced and belonged to someone else. He was using my inexperienced male. Oh, boy, did she know that was true! I brought him out to meet her and she did not even act like she was in season. She did not flirt or flag or anything! So I took him back inside and brought out his half brother. They looked very similar. The half brother had produced several litters and as soon as she saw him she turned it on! Then I knew she was ready, so I switched dogs on her again. She was still wild for the other one and started flirting with Gus. When she did that he had her tied in a matter of minutes. That litter was born during Hurricane Hugo! Linda Hendrix Goose Creek, SC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================