..and what lines are those Kathy? I only ask because if it's common knowledge to many that bloat runs in certain lines than is it really a big deal to post it? Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] now bloat... To: gsdramey@xxxxxxx, lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 11:31 AM OK, if you want to stick your head in the sand.... Just because we don't have a DNA marker doesn't mean that anyone in the breed longer than five minutes can't see bloat/GDV/torsion and other gastric issues (toxic gut) run in certain lines. Can their be triggers (stress/condition)...yes. But please don't deny a genetic component. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 9/14/2009 12:24:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gsdramey@xxxxxxx writes: Please know and understand there is NO PROOF whatsoever that bloat is in any line!!! ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================