I'm not sure I understand the analysis below. Each judge had a different number of members voting for him/her. Judge A only had 600 members voting for him/her; Judge B had 627, while Judge C had 620 members voting for him/her. One could argue, therefore, that Judge A had the least number of members willing to cast a vote for him/her, and in a close race such as depicted, deserved to be in third place. After all, Judges B and C received only 5 or 6 fewer first place votes, but also received 10 or 15 more second place votes. Let's assume that Judges A and C had received the same number of total votes as Judge B (627 votes), and that each one of the additional votes over and above what they received in the example was a third place vote. Then, Judge A would have had a total of 1227 points, Judge B would have 1225 and Judge C would have 1222. Judge A would have been the highest scoring judge. For some reason in the example below, 27 members were so much against Judge A that they didn't even give him/her any vote at all (compared to Judge B). The same is true if you give Judge A 20 more third place votes and compare him/her to Judge C. In this case, Judge A would have a total of 1220 votes, while Judge C would have 1215. Again, Judge A would have the highest total. The weighted system is not perfect, but is probably as good as or better than any alternative. I think a bigger problem is members who vote for judges in disciplines they know very little about. Walt Riback GSDC of No.FL -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:35 PM To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx; lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; ELG440@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why weighted ballot should not be used// 2nd try Trying again, my mail must have gone through Peggy's computer <G> Below is an example of why the weighted ballot should not be used> Weighted ballot: 1=3 points, 2=2 points, 3=1 point. Judge A Judge B Judge C 200 x 3= 600 194 x 3= 582 195 x 3= 585 200 x 2= 400 210 x 2= 420 215 x 2= 430 200 x 1= 200=1200 223 x 1= 223 =1225 200 x1=200=1215 Judge A was the choice of the membership since he/she got more number 1 votes but you will see that Judge B with less number one votes than Judges A & C would get intersex. Please note that even though Judge A got more number one votes he/she would end up doing bitches as a third place finish. Lee Brown **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt p://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org <http://showgsd.org/> NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================= ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================