Bart., thank you for the clarification. I feel that perhaps some( and this is only a hypothesis) simply wondered why you would have even listed yourself as handler when Alex was expected to handle the dog all along, perhaps old habits die hard!However, given the current " mood" with futurities, people are edgy and at the end of the day, can you blame them?Certainly you can step outside the situation and see how it might appear to others. Ulterior motives don't always have to exist to raise some ones eyebrows. If one person or so was stirring the pot, by pushing this issue then perhaps your argument would carry more weight, but when others see it the same way, can we just chalk it all up to ulterior motives?Since your families live only a stone throw away from each other and share adjoining property, I do have to admit I am surprised the tiff and Joann would not have known about your inflamed knee,especially since you had been unable to show at other shows, however just about the time I say that, I realize that even in our family communication isn't always what it should be.Also the fact that all of you were kind enough to attend Joan Ford's funeral the very same day as the March 16 specialty, I am certain that not much time or thought was given to dog shows. There is one small thing that perplexes me, though and that is that the futurities closed in early March, maybe March 4? The specialty in question was March 16. Funny how we can forget things when we are trying to help people out. I am certain that had you known that Tiff had entered that futurity a couple of weeks before, and if Tiff had remembered that she had just entered at the MW futurity a couple of weeks before, she would never have agreed to take the dog in for you. Nonetheless, good for you for clearing the air. As for issues about integrity, honesty and being forthright, that sounds like a long conversation over a "drinky-poo." Regards, Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: <GSDCHABLIS@xxxxxxx> > To: <tokaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <alexmues@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <joellegsd@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 8/11/2007 12:56:48 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] (no subject) > > I have remained silent for far too long during all of this nonsense on the > list that is aimed at me personally and my daughter, Tiffany. > I was the person, who asked my daughter, if she would show the dog that > evening, due to the fact that Alex couldn't make that weekend. He was scheduled to > fly and spend a weekend with my family and visit our home and we were going to > go to this one show where he was to show this dog for Kathy, as he had done > in the past. > > Alex had a business meeting come up for that weekend, he is in real estate, > and had to remain in Puerto Rico due to a prospective buyer had decided to come > and look at a real estate opportunity that Alex had been working on. > We were saddened that Alex couldn't come, but decided that I (Bart) would go > ahead and try to show the dog at that show. I took with me my clothes to show > in. > > I decided that, one hour or so before the show, I could not show the dog, as > my knee was inflamed, swollen and was hurting me. I then, asked Tiffany if > she could show the dog that one time, we were to let Alex bill Kathy. > It was a small show and there weren't alot of choices. > I considered it a favor to another handler as has been done so many times, > helping other handlers who couldn't show due to an injury or due to a flight > problem, but the scheduled handler still bills the client for their dog being > shown. > > I remember George Bersler in Minn./St. Paul fell off a plane and couldn't > show, we, the handlers handled his dogs for him and he billed the clients. It's > one of the few things we can do for our fellow handlers. There have been many > more incidents, including myself where other handlers cover for each other. > > > Tiffany has never before, nor since handled for Kathy Potter, Not once. > > This dog had only been handled by Mike Sherman, George Berstler, Alex, and > myself. > > When I heard that there was controversy about Tiffany taking in this dog I > did two things, contacted Kathy Potter and made her aware of the situation, and > then we contacted the futurity chairman. She followed the rules and contacted > AKC for a determination. (Please read Nancy Harper's post) > > I'm sure that some of you will continue to attempt to cause a controversy > because that is what drives you. > > I feel that alot of this controversy has been generated for alterior > motives.All I can say is my character and honor are in tact! > > Bart Bartley > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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