I wish to echo Sally's last words. If you cannot find a behavioral reason for a change in behavior, look for a health trigger. One of our dogs was fine and then over about 3 months was becoming aggressive, I neutered him hoping it was his sister's heat and whelp that had caused it. I also had a mole removed. The "mole" as it turned out, had metastasized from just skin cancer to cancer in the general area, it was not apparent at the neutering, but the wounds from surgery never healed, and after 6 weeks of struggle with the open wounds, xray was clear and he was put down. As a trainer I do ask the history of behavior. I have a local GSD owner who has many questions, but has never actually hired me. He said his bitch in the past month has become aggressive, but she is trained and socialized often. As we talked and talked, it came out that this started right after her last vet visit and that she had had shots. I said go back to the vet and see how she responds to the office itself, if her response is negative, it is likely that she has decided that all people are vets trying to give her shots, and one must have hit a nerve and hurt her a bit, she can be trained out of this. However, I told him if she behaves as she has in the past to the clinic, there is something wrong, either the shots have caused a problem or something else went wrong, either at the vet's or shortly after. I have not heard back yet, but I know I will. sheila --- On Wed, 12/3/08, sally <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx> wrote: From: sally <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] no more peeing in house To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:22 AM A couple weeks ago I asked for suggestions about my house dog who at 6 started going in the dining room. every night- Well I took her in and got her spayed. For some reason her ovaries were very large so it was a good move. Nothing changed for the first week. My vet said in view of things he thought the going could be hormonal problems give her 30 days Well much to my relief it has been 12 days since surgery and all problems have been corrected.getting up every morning to cleaning up a mess was not fun. Caging was not an option.She is now back to my great house dog. The lesson learned was that when a dogs actions dramatically change for no reason -check them out physically Sally www.embroiderybysally.org ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================