All I am saying is that the point system it's self tell us what we need to know. Cal and AZ have the highest dog requirement for a 3 point major 12 dogs and 13 bitches. If they are all adults and the entry fee is 30.00 that is an income of 750.00 to host a show. 750.00 dollars does not a dog show make. Oregon is going to the All Breed show in July this year. We will see how it goes. Terry ________________________________ I think we foresaw that problem because of our experience in the past. So we resorted to 'Plusing' the method used by McDonalds and other fast food chains. They continue to offer their usual stuff but add a few special items to the menu which are over priced, and then push the plus item. The end is a nice profit maker. So this week end we had the shows, and a raffle, and sold hot dogs and so forth. Evan bought the dogs and the trimmings, did the cooking and sold them for lunch, donating all of the lunch fees to the clubs. Then the raffle was very successful. Doris Estabrook's daughter donated a ton of Doris' treasures and some great pictures and the top of the raffle was a painting of a GSD herding in a lovely mountain valley. It was painted by none other than our own Carolyn Martello and brought a handsome price. The only thing we did not do was take up an offering, although I do know how to do that. I am not sure if I am at liberty to mention names, but one of our judges came all the way from the East Coast at their own expense. The end result is not in yet as Nadine is still working on the final figures, but it looks like we will not be in the hole for the first time in years. Personally, It was a show of a lifetime. It was really a good time with good sportsmanship, and good sportswomanships also. And yes, the dogs and bitches were some of the best I've seen except for the ones I left at home, of course! I really, really enjoyed the time and the friends we have made over the years. Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================