Julie: I beg to differ with you. We do not make any money off the entries per se, they infact sustain a small loss. Our income (profit) that lets us operate the club for the year has to come from some where. The Nationals is one of the key sources. We make money off the seating, the raffles and in this case the dinner, trophy donations are a wash. We also make money off the Futurities, Red Book, Web Site and the Products Committee. The positive results of the above let us subsidize other venues. I.E. Money for WDA, herding, tracking, at times the Review and also operate the General & Administration functions of the club etc. As the elected officer by the membership, who is the focus for financials, I'd be happy to meet with any one who wishes to discuss this in more detail. We could do it at the 2005 Nationals. Regards Bill _Bill Pfeiffer, GSDCA Treasurer & I-Net Committee Chair (919-781-4955)_ (http://www.gsdca.org/Noframes/officers.html) In a message dated 6/10/2005 8:42:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, EJDegen@xxxxxxx writes: If the caterer was so reasonably priced, WHY didn't we lower the price of the dinner for our members, then? Why should the GSDCA make so much money off the dinner at the expense of our members? I don't think the GSDCA should LOSE $ on the dinner, but those attending the dinner should only be charged what it costs for the dinner, not an inflated amount so the national can show a profit. Julie Degen In a message dated 6/9/2005 2:05:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: We made money off the dinner because he was so reasonably priced (plus the food quality was excellent). No one donated any portion of the meals or the table gifts (notebooks) or the table decorations. May I suggest that if there is a question of this financial nature that you contact me or look at the financial detail that is on the GSDCA web site in the secured area. Regards Bill _Bill Pfeiffer, GSDCA Treasurer & I-Net Committee Chair (919-781-4955)_ (http://www.gsdca.org/Noframes/officers.html) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================