[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: nationals ( again )
- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, vande001@xxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:51:08 EDT
Well, the fact of the matter is Carolyn is that the national is getting
smaller and smaller and for what...2 out of the last 3 years has or will lose
money?????
As far as a GV/GVX I thought I explained we could do something like the
race horse people do when they select horse of the year. How much will a
GV/GVX title mean anyway when you get to the point where many of the quality
Specials pass in the first place?
Maybe we could learn from other breeds or I guess we can still carry on and
continue to lose entries and dollars...no biggie.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
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In a message dated 10/8/2010 11:43:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I think we already have a National that pretty much does exactly ALL of
what you all are
suggesting if you really think about it!
Herding people and most of the other working venues come in early and
compete and
often leave before Conformation......and Conformation people often come in
later and
compete just in conformation. Those that compete in several .....or
ALL....stay. Why would
we have separate Nationals? You can already separate it yourself to
just one venue.....or
compete in all.. ..or watch all.... in one trip. Some fly in just for
Specials to watch or compete.
We have choices.
We already have Regional 'type' shows in our nine Futurities.....and we
can add Regional
shows to our Specialties now. I think our Parent Club has done a
tremendous job in making
all available to us. I think they could make it easier on themselves and
cheaper if that
becomes an issue with an outdoor venue for Conformation too.....and
simplify the Victory Dinner
if need be...but at this point many love it as it is.....and it is
especially nice at the Victory Dinner
for Special Awards, etc. We can all cope and do our own thing if we
don't care for it.
<G>
I strongly disagree with the idea of "Regional Nationals".......that takes
away the true meaning
and they aren't big enough as it is anyway...to justify the time and
expense involved in several.
Imagine trying to please people with locations and sites three or four
times in a year.....GEEEZ!
We would never get a National Show Chair again........<G>
What would we have....3 or 4 Gr. Vs ....& Gr. Vx??.........Or one that won
all four..........?
<G>
The complaining about our National begins every year when some find out it
won't be close enough
to them to bother going....whatever distance that is for them. The rest
of us "National Warriors" just
go if we CAN do it.......and try to support it every year if we can.
There are always some we can't get to....and that IS painful. With the
air travel being so complicated
AND expensive now with dogs....I do believe it is time ....really
TIME..... to get three CENTRALIZED
sites......NOT Coastal though...as that eliminates a whole other Coast
most of the time.
For those as 'addicted' as we are...........see you all in Utah!!
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
I think the Regional idea sounds awesome! I know Goldens do that and they
get HUGE turnouts to all
of the Regionals. And actually, since you do the multiple Futurities, a
Regional National with that would
be great :-) I say go for it!
Jessica MacMillan
----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia VanDenBerge To: Show GSD List Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010
6:29 AMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [gsdshowlist] nationals
Yes, I think that these are some really good ideas...ones that would make
me excited about going to a National again.
I just want to see dogs, friends and meet new people. Don't need a white
wall, sod, awful banquets (sorry, I know that they are a lot of work but I
am just as happy with a pizza and a beer) and all of the trappings that go
into what we do today. I mainly just want to spend time with some really
neat dogs!
Utah has been slammed a little and I have nothing against a National being
held there. I mean, they deserve a break too. But that distance is
impossible for me to realistically handle. Time and cost are awful, especially
without an entry....well, I guess an entry would make it even more expensive!
I
sure hope that we can come up with some creative ideas and then execute
against them to see what happens. Heck, try something new. We can always go
back to the old way if it doesn't work out. Cynthia
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I've suggested "Regional Nationals" a number of times. I think it would
increase entries across the board
and get dogs out that will show locally and within driving distance but
whose owners can't or won't fly and
take a week to 10 days off (including travel time) to do the whole
national as it is structured now.
Friday-Saturday-Sunday MAXIMUM! Maybe the Futurity/Maturity on the
Friday w/ a puppy match that PM.
Bitches on Saturday w/ Veterans/Honor parade. Dogs on Sunday then BOB.
Out of there and on the way
home by 4PM.
I'd arrange for Herding/Tracking where available on Friday, Rally/OB and
Agility Saturday & Sunday (only)
if the local regional specialty club could support it. See...easy.
And.... I wouldn't stop people from entering as many F/Ms as they wanted
either.
Like Helen suggested, if an owner wanted to go to all...they could.
Dog's could accumulate points towards
some sort of "dog/bitch of the year"...the race horse people do it...they
do it for the academy awards..
.you can't tell me we can't figure this out as a group.
And for goodness sakes, can we do some outside in lovely parks with
GRASS?????
I don't need to be indoors, I don't need a white wall to see a bad back
and if I never eat another banquet
style dinner that's just fine by me!
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
In a message dated 10/7/2010 2:31:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Those are some thoughts, I don't envy the Board, they truly have
monumental tasks ahead of them,
I hope there are enough that are willing to think "outside" of the box
to make some progress in these
areas of concern
Over these past ten years,like Mike ,I have suggested a "two -time" set
of Nationals. One in the spring
and one in the fall. I used to judge many of the Siberian Husky
Nationals ,which were held in 4 different
regions every year,with the local Specialty clubs hosting them. They
did this because they had added
extras to conformation,like racing and sled pulls,in addition to
obedience. So the club that was hosting it
could have their own local Specialty, plus their Parent club sponsored
show--- with all the extras .
I remember being confused about 4 different Nationals, but it worked for
them They did their conformation
part both inside,and outside,but the other activities outside. So I
judged one National in Denver inside
and another time one National outdoors in Georgia. That I remember
vividly,since I had a white pant suit
on and it rained and even though I was under a tent,the Georgia red mud
was all over the pants <G>
And they were doing that long before the economy became bad. But I
really like the idea of a Performance
National one time and a Conformation National another time . Each
National could be shortened to a 3-4 day event,that would be less expensive
,easier for people to take off from work or schooling. And if someone
had the time and money to go to both.it would be their choice. The
Germans do it with the
Seiger show at a different time than the World trials. On is
conformation,and one is for the Working ability. Just some thoughts.
Helen
Miller Fisher
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