The good news is United uses more airports for subsidiary hubs.........like
Denver & Utah with
Chicago being their main hub.
( It IS kennel size...smaller aircraft cannot get a # 500 in their cargo
doors...at least that is what
they tell me.........? ) I have been unable to book a dog on American since
they changed?
Was told twice they would not fly any big dogs.
I have a 4 month old pup I need to fly back East....been interesting to say the
least. <G>
$420.00 for a PUPPY with United in a # 400 crate.
I Think I'll try to place the brother more locally. <G>
This discussion can go on forever....but again....bottom line.....anyone
wanting to fly needs to
speak with someone in Cargo for the destination from them ...and have them
check the aircraft size
and connection time.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
From: On Behalf Of Jen Proud
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: national sites~ Again??
Re the not being to use those hubs...
It isn't because they don't take the kennel SIZE... It's because the total
weight exceeds their maximum limit with kennel PLUS those larger dogs. For
those who have smaller size GSDs, where they total weight under 100#, those
dogs can indeed fly on American.
It seems that Delta or United are the only options of the 3 major airlines I
looked at for those larger dogs who still fit in a size 500 crate...
JP&P
On Monday, August 3, 2015, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This has all been ongoing information.... and discussion... for well over six
years!!!
It was beat to death pretty well for over a week just a week ago in July....?
Also.....I am surprised to see Phoenix Ariz., Miami, Fla. and Charlotte, NC
listed as
connecting Main Hub for flying dogs into!!? Phoenix is main hub for
Southwest and
they have never EVER flown dogs. Miami..? for which airline? Charlotte WAS
for
USAir...but remember USAir quit flying dogs .... right after our National was
there?
When did these become main hubs for dog friendly airlines??? Same with American
( I think ) and that eliminates Dallas Ft. Worth if that is the case. They are
now
America West...
You ALWAYS have to talk to someone in Cargo to actually book a dog for
flight...the
airport specs and agents at the Terminals are no help
Terry is right.
We have to find sites that are drivable or near the very few main hubs....or
both.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx');>
www.marhaven.com
On Behalf Of Terry CochranSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: national sites
Like I said the ability to fly your dog to a national is no more. It is time to
select national show sites making it possible for west middle east to drive a
reasonable distance every 3 years. If you want to rent a private Jet and attend
every year that is great!! good for you :0)
Terry
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Redacted sender charangsd@xxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','charangsd@xxxxxxx');> for DMARC
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx');> > wrote:
Excellent information Jen!! Thank you for looking in the specs!!
Angie Martin
Charan GSD's
-----Original Message-----
From: Jen Proud <proudk911@xxxxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','proudk911@xxxxxxxxx');> >
IT IS GETTING IMPOSSIBLE TO SHIP DOGS ALTOGETHER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY FLY AS
CHECKED BAGGAGE WITH OWNER ON THE FLIGHT!
I decided to have a look-see at the major airlines for myself regarding
shipping/flying with a dog:
from the Delta website:
767 Aircraft Restriction
Animals will not be accepted as checked baggage or cargo on any Delta operated
767 aircraft. There are no exceptions to this restriction for any passenger.
<http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft.html>
Learn more about your aircraft. Other restrictions may apply.
EVEN THOUGH... (from Boeing's specs)
Aft Cargo Door opening:
Height: 66"
Width: 70"
Acceptable Kennel Sizes:
Type 500 series or smaller:
Width: 27"
Height: 30"
Depth: 40"
Airbus 330-200 Aircraft Restriction
Animals will not be accepted as checked baggage on any Delta operated A330-200
aircraft. There are no exceptions to this restriction for any passenger.
<http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft.html>
Learn more about your aircraft. Other restrictions may apply
EVEN THOUGH... (from Airbus's website)
Another advantage of the A330-200’s fuselage is its large-capacity underfloor
cargo holds, which accommodate industry-standard LD3 containers in side-by-side
loading, as well as 96-inch pallets.
These are LARGE planes!
Per American Airlines' regulations:
Flights with connections
If you’re traveling on a connecting flight, your checked pets will only be able
to connect through one of our hub cities. If you’re connecting between American
and another airline, you’ll need to claim and recheck your pet and pay
applicable charges to each carrier.
* Charlotte, NC (CLT)
* Chicago O'Hare, IL (ORD)
* Dallas Fort Worth, TX (DFW)
* John F Kennedy New York, NY (JFK)
* LaGuardia, NY (LGA)
* Los Angeles, CA (LAX)
* Miami, FL (MIA)
* Philadelphia, PA (PHL)
* Phoenix, AZ (PHX)
* Washington Reagan, DC (DCA)
Kennel guidelines for checked pets
When checking in your pet, there are specific requirements for their kennel:
* Up to 40in x 27in x 30in or 102cm x 69cm x 76cm*
* *Largest acceptable kennel is a series 500 kennel. This kennel is not
accepted on the Boeing 737, the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 (S80) or American Eagle
airplanes. Kennels checked on an MD-80 must be able to fit through the cargo
door whilst in an upright position.
The kennel cannot:
* Be more than 100lbs/45kg (including the pet and other content)
United's website sucks. their information on kennels (they sell at airport
too):
400
36 L x 24 W x 26 H
24
$145
All United aircraft*
500
40 L x 27 W x 30 H
32
$160
All United aircraft*
700
48 L x 32 W x 35 H
51
$250
All United aircraft*, except Boeing 737
*Kennel acceptance guidelines noted above apply to United aircraft. Limitations
may apply for travel on United Express® flights. The #400 series is the largest
kennel size accepted on United Express aircraft, and not all United Express
aircraft are able to accommodate pet kennels. Please call United PetSafe at
1-800-575-3335 to verify availability.
Kennel sizing chart for dogs and cats
A = Length of animal from nose to root of tail
B = Height from ground to elbow joint
C = Width across shoulders
D = Height of animal in a natural standing position from the top of the head or
the ear tip, whichever is higher. Note: your pet's head or ear tips, whichever
is higher, must not touch the top of the crate.
How to determine kennel size
For travel within the 50 United States and Puerto Rico:
Length = A + ½B
Width = C x 2
Height = D
I guess anyone who wants to fly just about to give up and trade in their
frequent flyer miles for an AAA card instead!
:(
Jen P & her Pack
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:24 AM, barbara amidon <amidon481@xxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','amidon481@xxxxxxx');> > wrote:
I just checked about shipping from Florida to either Albany Rochester
Syracuse..no one can. Ship a 500 crate..o these areas..it is getting impossible
to ship
On July 27, 2015, at 12:27 PM, nhansburgh@xxxxxxxxxx
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nhansburgh@xxxxxxxxxx');> wrote:
i have flown out of mississippi changed planes in washington with a dog in a
500 kennel. i have flown out of southern and northern cal, calgary, montana etc
etc etc. i have only had problems with delayed flights not with dogs on
flights. ask jimmy he flew out of buffalo for years with many size dogs. i live
2 hours away from the hub airports so i drive at both ends of the flight. fight
the traffic but i get there with dogs and bitches. any good travel agent can
make those arrangements for you.
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