In a message dated 7/10/2005 12:13:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: The Standard - "The dog does not track on widely separated parallel lines, but brings the feet inward toward the middle line of the body when trotting, in order to maintain balance. The feet track closely but do not strike or cross over." This to me is single tracking isn't it? The Standard - "Viewed from the rear, the hind legs function from the hip joint to the pad in a straight line." Okay I have an idea what this should look like in my mind but can someone please explain what exactly this means because this line more so than any other would eliminate all dogs with their hocks twisting to and fro as they move, from the judges consideration and I say eliminate only because the Standard says that any faults in movement should be considered very serious faults. I believe it is the only time that it refers to something as a VERY serious fault. Thanks for the responses. Cindy Hi Cindy I am so enjoying your questions, and the answers you are getting. Here is my take. Having owned dogs who have extreme angles and are very clean, I feel I understand your confusion. There is an extreme for everything, from most desirable to least desirable, with things ideally belonging within. The extremes are then not incorrect, but within range, lets say 1 and 10. Some people will prefer to stay in the middle (5-7) to be safe. I don't mind extreme angulation, but I do mind overly angulated. These, by definition, have gone past (over) a desirable range. Let me give you another "extreme" example. There is a preference in pigment, with the more pigment being the most desirable. However, a dog that is correct in temperament and movement should not be penalized for being less pigmented (extreme) than others. He is within range. When I look at a dog going away, the ligamentation and musculature of this dog needs to be such that doesn't distract me from viewing his movement. If it does it is a fault of movement. I may think that is only muscles, but I can only judge them that day, not into the future. That day they are faulty. If they don't single track that is another fault of movement. If my viewing of their sidegait is distracted by any incorrect motion (like running down hill) this dog now has another fault of movement. I have personally seen these dogs. And they should be faulted accordingly. Faults of movement ARE serious faults. When coming at you the movement needs to also be correct. A dog that stands east/west will sometimes move correctly. Otherwise is a fault of movement. Moving out from the elbow is also a fault of movement. Lifting is also a fault of movement. Pedaling is also incorrect. I tend to observe lifting and incomplete opening, lack of drive and dragging toes from a sidegait view a lot better. I have a mental image of where this dog needs to place with each step. One thing I find very important, that every dog and specially every extreme dog should have, is a correct, strong topline. Standing and in motion. The topline is the part of the structure that holds it all together. A faulty topline may last thru a small show, but take that dog herding. It can't last. Form before function. Now, dogs that are shown at high speed and on a tight leash can sometimes hide some of these faults. But it is up to the judge to find it. They may win, but they shouldn't have, and it shouldn't be rewarded with more breedings. We are going to put ourselves in a corner with all these dysfunctional rears. Now, this is not always due to bad conformation. Sometimes is due to being out of condition. Needless to say, those extreme dogs who are out of condition will look very loose and woobly. They can't help it, but is not due to their conformation. Is like an athlete that comes back after a long break. They have to get in shape to perform at their best. Or here come the cramps, the twisted ankles, etc. Judge every dog you see, see where every step fall, you will start to see the differences. Know what you are looking for, read the standard. Take one part of the standard each week and compare each dog to it, see how close it is to the standard. Move on to the next part, compare all the dogs to that part of the standard. Soon you will see and understand the standard a lot better. You will be judging the dogs. Just be careful not to fall into judging only parts of the dogs and forget the rest. You have to take the time to see it all come together. You HAVE to see the total dog. Hope this helps. I am not an icon or an old timer, but I am a student of the breed. Good luck and keep asking the good questions. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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