[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: longcoats
- From: Lyn Chernak <cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "cunninghamarie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cunninghamarie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx" <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "inquestgsd@xxxxxxx" <inquestgsd@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 05:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
If people start entering their coats in the regular classes (uncut)and the rest
of the fancy refrains from their comments such as "Don't waste your time or
money since they are never put up", then they will be judged as they should be
.... to the Standard.
I am sure that if "Specialty" judges start putting up coats (if they are the
best one there on that day) the All Breed judges will follow. No need for a
special class or further education.
If there was a special class for coats what would be next? Special classes for
light eyes or ring-tails as Carol mentioned? Or how about classes for ears that
had a bad tape job and are now touching in the middle or the gay tail that is
now a dead tail?
As it stands, there are dogs that have serious faults that are being shown and
are put up from the regular classes. So in conclusion ..... if the dog doesn't
have a disqualifying fault it can be shown in any regular class. The choice is
yours. Only you can decide if you have the resources to continue to show such a
dog and which judges should you show under. And when all is said and done, do
you really feel this dog belongs in a breeding program? Since this is what
conformation's objective is suppose to be about, isn't it?
Lyn
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AKC Breeder of Merit
http://www.cherlynshepherds.com
Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership
  CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC
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From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: cunninghamarie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx;
inquestgsd@xxxxxxx
Cc: "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: longcoats
Long coats have never been denied an entry....nor have dogs with light eyes,
poor feet, ring tails,
missing teeth, etc. Like Ken, I too don't understand the logic of having a
special class for any
specific fault OR any specific merit to educate judges. We have a Standard ~
they should know
it in order to judge by it. Â
All of this reminds me of someone giving you directions to a final destination
and wasting a lot of
time and distraction on telling you where NOT to turn. Our destination or
goal should be the ideal.
We should not focus on, or consider any fault as being 'special' enough for
it's own class.
Carolyn  marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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 From: Kenneth & Marie Cunningham Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: longcoats
 If that was one of the reasons. Logic asks what were the other reasons. And
why do we feel it necessary
 to make yet another class for a single aspect of our breed? History
indicates that when ever we have
 made a class for a single aspect of our breed it has failed.
 From: Ileana <inquestgsd@xxxxxxx>Sherree is correct. Any trimming, coloring,
surgically fixing ears,
 tails or any other parts if the dogs bodies. Now, if we could get all
judges apply and comply Ileana
 On Oct 16, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Sheree Moses <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:>
 > One of the reasons the parent club had the long coat class at the
Nationals this year was to address the issue that many judges, esp. at all
breeds, think that long coat is, at best, a serious fault, or at worst, a DQ.
It is and always has been acceptable to show longcoats at both all breeds and
specialties, the problem is that even the milk man can recognize a long coat,
evidently more easily than they can discern faults of coat, such as a silky,
open, non-weather resistant coat, or any other faults for that matter. Clearly
we need better judges' education. We included a longcoat in this year's
presentation with the understanding that as long as the coat was weather
resistant it was only a fault, not "serious" or "very serious" and the animal
should be considered on it's merits. What makes a longcoat a disqualification
is if a person attempts to disguise the fact that it is long-coated by either
trimming or pulling the hair to make it appear to be
a "normal" coated dog.
 > This has nothing to do with the standard, it is an AKC rule (I think it is
Chapter 11, Section 8, rules applying to dog shows). Animals who have been
altered by artificial means so as to disguise a fault are to be disqualified.
This was the issue regarding the bitch who was shown the last couple of years,
because she had been trimmed. Sheree
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 support the long coat class for several reasons, one of which is that I
hoped it would give greater visibility to these dogs and get people talking
about why very few exhibitors even attempt to show them. I agree that judges,
and others, need to be better educated on the issue. Hopefully, the
discussion on the list and at the show has furthered that understanding. I am
thrilled that our girl, Oak Ridge Fire Opal, won the bitch class. After being
ignored every time she had been shown previously, she received recognition. I
wish there had been more entries, though. Iâ??m hoping specialty clubs will
offer these classes to encourage more to show their coated GSDâ??s. I donâ??t
think these special classes should be offered indefinitely, but they offer long
coats needed exposure and success. My hope is that this will lead to greater
acceptance in the regular classes.
 Carrie
 Oak Ridge German Shepherds
 Signers: G.S.D.C.A. Breeders Code of Ethics
 www.oakridgegsd.blogspot.com
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