In a message dated 12/27/2007 7:44:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Stormy435 writes: The problem with "exclusionary lists" vs open with references lists is that one is usually preaching to the choir in those types of lists. Exchanges of ideas, differences of opinions, even heated and what may appear argumentative discussions foster growth and ,if open, acceptance of new ideas. I have learned and changed many opinions that I held fast by reading well thought out and reasoned arguements. Not only about dogs, but, well...life. It's called growth I think you misunderstood my use of the term argumentative - or perhaps I should have used a different word. I agree with you completely about the list and discussion of ideas. As you know, as Futurity chair, I was always willing to listen to ideas and discuss (and right - argumentative was the wrong word). This List has been very good for discussing issues affecting the breed and the Club. Since it is the only List I belong to, I cannot state what happens on the other Lists. And I know you have caused a lot of us to change and become more active about the Animal Rights issues. And that is a good thing. Tish **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================