The problem with "exclusionary lists" vs open with references lists is that one is usually preaching to the choir in those types of lists. Exchanges of ideas, differences of opinions, even heated and what may appear argumentative discussions foster growth and ,if open, acceptance of new ideas. I have learned and changed many opinions that I held fast by reading well thought out and reasoned arguements. Not only about dogs, but, well...life. It's called growth. Not willynilly, change your way of thinking with every new thought that comes down the pike, but listening and learning. An Arguement is not hostile unless Hostility is in the minds of those arguing. A most recent form of this is my long held opinion that it is useless to try to change the thought processes of Animal Rights leaning groups. Why waste my breath. Yet, I am being challenged to join in discussions politely and tactfully to bring new ideas in. Even if those whose opinions are dead set against what I am saying, there are those "lurkers" who may just say...."wow, never thought of it that way". so, I love this list because we all don't lockstep down the same path, I am learning and growing and not becoming static and stale. Thank you for listening Stormy In a message dated 12/27/07 4:26:18 PM, TISHW@xxxxxxx writes: > Most of us are not "elitist" - but we are frequently opinionated and > argumentative! LOL > > "You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result." Mahatma Gandhi Stormy Hope *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* Dog's love is different, it requires no return www.FairhopeGSD.www ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================