I'm wondering if what most people are thinking of is something different than what Terry's dog has. I had a bitch with Lupus several years ago, and her problem began by looking like she had somehow scraped her nose - I thought she did it trying to force her way through the chain link on her run (which she constantly did). I would put neosporin or panalog on it and it would start to clear up, but then it would come back. It gradually became worse and when I came across some information on Lupus on the internet I asked my vet about it. He did a biopsy and it came back positive. Terry, I suspect your vet has seen the "Lip crud" the List has been discussing. If he or she is wondering about Lupus, I'd have a biopsy done. If your dog has Lupus, an early diagnosis would make it much easier and cheaper to treat. If not, you've ruled it out and can treat the symptoms with the knowledge you aren't letting a potentially dangerous condition advance to a more serious level. Your description of the crustiness by the nose sounds like this could be more than just "lip crud". Better safe than sorry! Janice Buchanan In a message dated 7/6/2007 7:06:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, dir@xxxxxxxxxx writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Reed" <terryr@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:46 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] lip crud?? >I am looking for ideas on treating lip crud. It is typically along the > sides of the lower jaw and sometimes on the edge of the nose and it comes > and goes. The vet is wondering about Lupus. Does anyone have any info to > share? > Terry > Touchstone German Shepherds > www.touchstonegsd.esmartweb.com Janice Buchanan Wasatch-Gold German Shepherds _http://wasatchgold.brinkster.net/_ (http://wasatchgold.brinkster.net/) "If our dogs were smarter, they could tell us what they were thinking. If we were smarter, they wouldn't need to." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================