Hey Jim....I'm going to tell your mother-in -law what you said...lol.....Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: EDEN HALL To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Elsyd1@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: leaving,showing dogs and ideas I got an International Championship Our German dog because I thought he was too German looking to take to the Am. shows and finish easily. I just Love him and couldn't stand to see him lose. I really enjoyed those shows and the idea of a written critique. The problem those shows is they give IC cards to too many unworthy dogs. If they toughened their standards those shows would really take off. Jim Hallmark German Shepherds 'The Best of Both Worlds' Top American And German Lines www.gsdhallmark.homestead.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: edwinx To: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: leaving,showing dogs and ideas There are not many folks in this sport that I respect more than Syd...but I disagree with her on the point of International Championships being worthless...I know nothing about that venue...its not my interest at this time...but I strongly believe that anything you do with your dog that you enjoy and hopefully your dog does too is worthwhile!...I'd rather have an Int'Ch that I campaigned myself than an AKC CH that never lived with me...traveled with some handler 10 months out of the year and I never got to see the dog..I am not faulting this , but I don't see the interaction of owner/dog...I want to look into this Rally stuff too...all my dogs are CHAMPIONS in my mind...because they belong to me...dogs do not give a damn about titles and legs on obedience, all that stuff is human ego.....no title is worthless If you enjoy doing it with your dog.....Ed Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: <Elsyd1@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: leaving,showing dogs and ideas > > > In a message dated 1/4/2005 7:02:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > gsdk9rat@xxxxxxxx writes: > In the AKC show ring, a self-admittedly close-knit, not trying to keep you > out but who the heck are you group, I get to pay entry fees and a pro > handler > because I have not paid my dues (huh????) plus I can't show my own dog > because > I won't do it properly, and if I win a class, especially novice, bred-by, > sometimes puppy...big deal, means nothing. Now, if I win my means nothing > class, I get to pay more fees to handler, or scramble to find another > handler > because more than one of their clients won their class and they must now > decide > who to go with. > Then, after training my dog to show, taking the time to go to the show, > caring enough to want to show in the first place, paying my fees, paying > my > handler, taking my lumps....ONE dog in the ENTIRE show walks with away > with > everything. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > It depends on how much you love the sport. Your situaltion is the same > for > everyone there. ONly one dog gets the points. To me, that is what makes > it so > precious. Please excuse me, owners of International ch's, but these titles > are worthless. Almost any pet can attain the title of INt. Ch. I have a > couple > of worthless ones myself. To have made an AKC champion is something to be > very > proud of, something that is not easy to attain, making it that much more > precious. It is still cheaper than sking, bowling, golfing, etc. You have > to > have a decent dog, that is the hard part, LOL> There are lots of excuses, > but > the buck stops at the dog. Syd > > SYD MAILBERG 425-432-4144 > 23910 SE 276TH ST > MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 > Updated Website quarter German pups and Amer bred pup > _http://www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com_ > (http://kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com/) > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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