It all depends on the circumstances. First use integrity. Give yourself and the owner of the bitch a little room to bend. In 1999 I leased our Ch. Gotti daughter for $1,000 since I was moving and this was good for both parties as we took many trips up and down the west coast. Our Ch. bitch was OFA & EL plus she was a housedog with manners. Since it would be her first litter I guaranteed at least 2 live pups. If she only had one, the owner of the Ch. male would get it and get to lease again if she chooses. You have to know the owner of the sire and in this circumstances I knew them very well and trusted her in their care. She only had 2 live pups so they leased her again and had 5. I wanted to make sure all were healthy and did not require the money up front. She sold them all and I was paid, all went to great homes and everything was good. It doesn't always happen that way. I don't know if the fees are higher or not. We did get major point winners and a Champion also a high scoring obedience dog. I was lucky to be included as breeder of all the litters with the leesor. Again you have to negotiate and ALWAYS have a contract no matter if its your sister or brother. But I have BIG ADVICE....KNOW YOUR PEOPLE....ONLY LEASE A VERY SHOWABLE BITCH THAT CAN OFFER THE MALE SOMETHING AS WELL....otherwise, you will waste your money. Breeding Champion males to Champion bitches doesn't guarantee anything except a really good start. Joanna Rand ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================