Here's a thought - and we were just discussing this the other day. What percentage of dogs, who have correct shoulder lay back, actually can use everything they have and what percentage of dogs who don't actually use their shoulders BETTER then the dogs who have correct layback. We have a young Dalmatian dog who has BEAUTIFUL shoulders and footfall coming at you (finished in 10 shows) and I watch him from the side and am always disappointed because he SHOULD use his front better then he does (and it isn't training because it is also how he moves on his own). My BIS bitch has less good shoulders and uses everything (many of you have seen her on Facebook) and has an awesome sidegait.. Guess I have given up on the need for a specific angle and have become more interested in the lay-ON and muscling. Jessica MacMillan No Frills Dog Bathing Service & Design Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) & The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC) Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================