OH Patty, Breeding for Thirty Years and have done all the right things and not produced a champion!!!!!!!!!!!! Nah, I cannot buy that...... Shit I could throw darts and beat those odds. If you are breeding for 30 years and your goal is to produce a conformation Champion and you have not>>>>> you have done all THE WRONG THINGS IN MY OPINION. My wife and I started breeding 6 years ago on a modest level. For 4 of those years wife has battled some serious health issues and we have bred or co-bred well over 15 champions. Scott Trahan White Oak ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================