When I had dogs to show, the last being Liddy, they all showed just fine, for anyone but me. Yes, I was the alpha then and now, but that was the only problem. Liddy knew her job in the ring, to the point of finishing a round without her handler who had dropped the lead. She did not even leave the ring, she finished her job and set herself up. And got Breed that day, yes an all breed. And she will gladly bit to protect me. She is grateful she does not have to. I have worked with show dogs in several breeds to make them better dogs at home. None has lost because of my training. And there is a finished Rottweiler that can only be seen in the ring by the owner with me. Not the pros that finished him, now if she wants to see him in the ring and have him be seen, she turns to me. No I don't win, I am not the pro handlers, but he gets more attention in and out of the ring by those looking for a stud than the pro's dogs. Training works, this breed of all breeds is beyond smart enough to get the idea that jumping on MOM is not acceptable and they can still double, if you must, as if their skin would fall of without MOM touching them. It is still training, just like ending the digging. And this breed of all breeds can learn to do conformation one day and obedience the next. They can, if we can, then go do therapy for the sick and infirm, and then go bite a sleeve with glee. That is why I will train any breed, but I own, for now at least, GSD's. sheila --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] was method question (jumping) To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 8:46 PM Yeah but honey, we want these dogs to show well, to allow others to look in their mouth even <VBG>. Forget all this nonsense...IF you want a dog to show well, IF you want a dog to be competitive in OB (and walk right into your hands when in front w/ a glove/dumbbell/article), you aren't GRABBING TWO FISTFULS OF FACE! Iza, lol, just resign yourself to getting jumped on until the dog is retired. You want him "up", "excited" and oh so happy to see you, lol. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 6/16/2009 8:38:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I tell my clients to grab two fistfuls of face, and push down. An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================