[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting comment
- From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx
- To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx, Stormy435@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:24:59 -0400 (EDT)
I agree, esp with the males. Years ago we decided to put them up when
they come out of Puppy classes. Then about the age of two, we OFA and then we
take them out in Am Bred and see how they look. If they win, they are
probably ready to go. Saves tons of money. VBG!
In a message dated 6/26/2011 6:31:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes:
I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing; just if a dog is good it
will finish quicker than one who isn't. I agree with you, boys don't look
like "males" until they are 3, sometimes even 4. (That's why I don't
usually take a special out until late 3...)
Not all people finish them young Penny because they are afraid they will
die early...Cody, JR, Solo, now Vinnie all finished young. Cody was over 11
when he died (cancer), JR will be 10 in less than 2 weeks and just sired a
litter.
As far as the girls, lately I go the other way. I want them to show me
they can successfully conceive/have and raise a litter WITH NO FUSS. Over
the years I've had 2 bitch CHs that have only had one litter. Had I known
that going in, I would have bred them at 2 or 2 1/2 and let them have a
litter before campaigning them. My experience is if a bitch hasn't
successfully
had a litter by a certain point (and who knows? for some it can be as
early as 4) it CAN be an uphill battle. Note I didn't say all...but it CAN
be.
My CH Mattie's mother only had 2 puppies in her life. She wasn't mine,
but I'll bet her owners would trade some of those group photos for a few of
her progeny.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 6/25/2011 11:44:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Would someone please explain to me why finishing young is a good thing. I
just don't get it. Males don't even look like males until they are 3. They
are little more than a life support system for a penis as teenagers. Females
mature faster and if you are going to breed them I can understand the
push. But males????
Terry
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From: "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>
To: Scharo777@xxxxxxx; Stormy435@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 4:37:23 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting comment
I agree. We have a way to go on health. It hasn't gotten worse, but in
some instances, not better either.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 6/25/2011 7:12:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_Scharo777@xxxxxxxx (mailto:Scharo777@xxxxxxx) writes:
Soundness is definitely better today, also
Carol
In a message dated 6/25/2011 5:34:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
_Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxxx (mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) writes:
Sounds like sour grapes. All you have to do is look at the classes
today...people in the know don't even bother keeping, let alone showing
dogs who
won't finish. The good ones finish quick and they finish young; then
they
are put away to special in a few years. In the "old days" it was a
family
affair, many HUGE classes had a lot of pets...but their people loved
them,
so no damage done.
There are a few people today that show and show and show a dog and maybe
eventually finish it. They are in the minority.
As far as temperament improving...it certainly has.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit __http://www.pinehillgsds.com/__ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_)
(_http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) )
In a message dated 6/25/2011 5:56:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_Stormy435@xxxxxxxx (mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx) writes:
This is from another list, and i will paraphrase the heck out of it.
Basically, the person's first dog was not from a "specialist"
breeder, and would not finish with the quality of dogs that was
showing 40 years ago. had a great temperament at a time when dogs
being shown were "raving lunatics." The dog could probably finish
today was a conclusion.
JFYI
Stormy
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