[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting
- From: caggra@xxxxxxx
- To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, jkerner@xxxxxxxxx, sally@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:07:30 -0500
I am not patting myself on the back here, just stating facts. Nick and I own
or co-own a couple of dogs. If one of those dogs wins points at a show, any
clients showing in that sex that day do not pay a dime. I know there are a
few handlers that do that...I think Bart always did, if I am not mistaken.
We don't breed much at all , but we are in this sport because we love dogs. So
having 1 or 2 of our own keeps us involved from that aspect. When possible we
take our own dogs to big shows or Futurities that are away from our area, so
not to compete with our clients.
Jeff
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From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting
Jane , This is a handler breed and it is very expensive as you well know. When
a handler wins with their own dogs and their clients pay for them to do it, I
think that has put a lot of people out of this breed. There are very few
handlers that only handle for others. Most handle their own dogs and breeding
also and it's a win-win siutation for them. They get paid if they win or lose
I have known of some handlers that put their dogs in other people's names also,
even though they still own them and continue to show them. This can leave a bad
taste in people's mouths. I am making these statements without any handler's
name in mind. JMO Ann
Jane Kerner <jkerner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Could we think about some other factors for a moment also?
As Jeff indicates rightly, oft times handlers and their clients help to build
entries to make a major.....and they do so unselfishly, knowing that they may
not be awarded the points at a given show.
So also, some folks decide to pull their entry when they discover which other
dogs are entered
at a show. Not often, but sometimes.
Additionally, if a handler chooses not to go to a specific series of shows, it
means that most of his clients will not go either. This diminishes the numbers
of entries because:
Where a handler goes, his string of clients usually go.
Sometimes, but not very often, a client may choose to hire another handler and
go to the shows anyway.
(Provided the other handlers have not already booked their own steady clients
or have the classes filled because they have built the entry to make the major.
A handler is not usually willing to take another handler's client/dog instead
of his own client's dog if the choice has to be made.)
And sometimes the handler has his own breeding program to
advance............... so he/she is currently campaigning his/her own dogs or
those dogs in which he has an invested interest.
And almost everyone involved, because of expense and other numerous reasons, do
not enter shows randomly.
Clients usually enter because they believe they have a reasonable opportunity
to win the points.
Otherwise, they sometimes think, why go if not to win the points. It is too
expensive to just "give the dog ring experience" most of the time.
There are other reasons, of course, why entries are low.
What do you suppose these other reasons might be?
Jane Kerner
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From: caggra@xxxxxxx
To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; sally@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting
Oh...and I forgot to add that the major show in Cleveland last weekend, Nick &
I showed like 13 dogs that day to help build a major.....we did not get a
major. Others did. So it had nothing to do with us getting others to enter so
that we would benefit from it. There are people out there that do not do
everything selfishly. We could have gotten one of the majors and that would
have been great...would have finished one of a couple of the dogs we showed. It
didn't happen though and we are thrilled for the winner's. They were nice dogs
too. It could have gone either way and next time if karma is on our side, maybe
it will go our way. :)
Jeff
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From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: sally@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting
Hi Sally, we always have majors at the N Indiana and Michigan specialty shows.
Yes, sometimes we have to build them, but good judges usually bring a major
entry. I find that often majors are built by handlers that do well under
certain
judges at the all breeds, not that the judges are always good. There are some
good all breed judges out there though. They are crossing over in fewer and
fewer shows, mostly at the all breeds. I did go WB at one specialty this fall
though and it was one point in dogs and the judge didn't cross ove rfor the
major, which is a rareity. . A few years ago I was at a specialty and it was
two in dogs and four in bitches and a well known judge was judging. In breed he
gave the bitch BOW and well known handler of WD said out loud, but it's not a
major for the dog. The judge then said, Oh I mean the dog is BOW. That would
never happen at an all breed. JMO Ann
Sally wrote: I find it interesting that many people are out
there encouraging building
majors at the allbreeds shows but (except for Sheila) you rarely see anyone
encouraging entries for specialty shows-
Sally
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