I do lots of babies. The owners are just as much at the end of their ropes when they call as older dog owners. I have people nearly crying cause they can't take the peeing and pooping all over the house. Group classes do not address house breaking. People are telling me their dog is abusing them, the dog is 4 months, and they can't take a step for being bitten. That is not covered in group. I give owners the tools to communicate clearly and be a leader for life. Group class comes after the owners have some tools to start with. There is nothing more painful to a trainer than that first class with 15 out of control dogs. If just one is not out of control, the trainer can breath a sigh of relief and actually teach something. Even puppies benifit from what I do. I cannot say that about all in home trainers. But I can say that about what I do. I teach understanding of what dogs say and I teach owner how to speak to their dogs. This make room for real learning in a group class. sheila Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2007 3:28:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx writes: This is why in home matters. This is also what in home should be. Not the trainer taking the dog away and teaching it to sit. But teaching the owners how to manage their dogs, directly with nothing between them and the dog, once I understand the dog. sheila Right. The point you are forgetting is that the original thread was about two 6 month old puppies a lady called me about. What I had mentioned was that I am going to reinforce IN MY PUPPY PACKET that puppies get out to reputable classes and strongly discourage the in home training racket. PUPPIES! BABIES! I'm not talking about 8 year olds that terrify a spouse and have been allowed to bite. I wouldn't feed the dog or the husband in that case, but that's me and if you want to make a living attempting to make their world better, go for it. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================