In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:57:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: When they enter the show they don't know if it will be a major or not. Personally it sounds like a waste of money, but it's their money and if they want to show anyway then it's their business. Gayle & the Hooligans! But once you know it's not a major do you still put the dog in and take the points even though your dog doesn't need them. That was my question. Bonnie Jenkins BonJen Shepherds It's one thing to enter and hope it's a major, it even worse when it closes a major and you drive there, groom, count noses and it doesn't hold, but NO, I've never shown a dog who is singled out when it isn't a major. The odds of winning the group (of course providing a major held in another breed), unless you have just the "right" handler, just the "right" judge and all the stars are in alignment are slim to none and slim left town. (Judges do get judging programs BTW, they DO read them, they DO know where the entries were on any given day and they DO, despite what you may have heard, recognize the top dogs in each breed. Do you really think for instance, if you have a supported entry of Shelties , say 60 w/ 8 specials and an entry of 4 GSDs w/no CHs, that the GSD is going to go over the Sheltie that day? Not unless the stars are in alignment...and the group judge doesn't want another assignment.) I think it is extremely poor sportsmanship to continue to single point a dog who is singled out. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================