You can't assume because it is not in CHIC data base that breeders or stud owners are not doing any testing. We have been running complete blood panels and the Thyroid testing through Michigan State on our studs for many years......before they are at public stud. The timing is not right with that and their OFA certification to bother getting it on their OFA Cert. It was never the reason for our testing as we do it mainly for ourselves and to insure the stud has no health issues before we bother using them for stud for ourselves or anyone else. No one has ever asked about CHIC and it never mattered to us. We also have done the DM flash testing. Admittedly......... we have never bothered with eye certification of any type. All of your answers in looking for stud are not always on a Certificate.......<G>......we just have never had it done that way as it never was the motive or an issue for us. The Temperament Tests............no longer seem easily available for all of us....... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebecca Little Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] health testing Ok guys questions....What breeders out there are testing for more then just hips and elbows?? Why is there not more importance placed on testing hearts, eyes, and thyroids? What about the DM flash test? Does anyone see that becoming used more? There are ONLY 37 GSD's listed in the CHIC data base. I have 2 girls waiting for a GSDCA temperament test to me somewhere remotely near(and no Ohio is NOT considered near). How many out there are waiting for the same??? We look a sad lot compared to alot of the CHIC dogs listed of other breeds....Aussies over 1100, nearly 400 malinois, almost 300 dalmatians, almost 300 leonbergers(there are only about 2000 in the whole country), over 1600 pembrokes, almost 650 swiss mountain dogs, just to name a few. Don't we have a FAR greater number of dogs out there then the above breeds? Does anyone else think its important to go above and beyond in the health testing department???? Rebecca Little Peakes Brook German Shepherds http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/peakesbrookgsd/index.html ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================