David Of course there is a lot more to this story than I have outlined in my little story, but since I understand that there is a CKC investigation underway, I don't want to say much more about it. But this little thing has been going on with the same little group for a long time. And a lot of people knew it but nobody wanted to say anything. I guess most folks figured that they might want to show under them someday. And yes, judges should be allowed to show under other judges and yes, a lot of judges have good dogs. In our little group (GS Dogs) there are a lot of good dogs and a lot of us are judges.Thats fine. But that is not what I was talking about here.I am talking about judges trading wins back and forth almost every time they judge. This is All Breed and I am not talking about a WD or a BOS now and then. I am talking about Best In Show everytime out. And what makes the situation worse are the people that keep making excuses for it. It is inexcusable and has to stop. It is ruining our sport. Please re-read my e-mail and I am sure you will get the connections. Wayne Wayne Ewart Lynne Gibson Shep Haven Abbaway German Shepherds www.geocities.com/abbaway ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fritsche" <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <shephaven@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] hanky panky in the dog show world > Judge "A" gets an assignment in Province 1. Judge "B" enters that > Judge "A" gives him Best In Show. The next show Judge "C" also gives Judge > "B" Best In Show. > A short while later, judge "B" is judging in Province #2 > Judge "A" enters and sends his dog with handler #1. > Guess who goes Best In Show? Right. Judge "A" > A little while later, Judge "A" is judging in Province #3. > Handler # 1 shows up with a string of dogs > Wayne Not sure I followed this real well Wayne..... Since most of us in dogs are friends with many in the breed and socialize together and show dogs to each other, it is important that we follow the rules, but just showing a dog to another judge is not against the rules and having that same privilege in reverse is not either, unless there is some specific relationship to a handler or family member who is moving from employee to exhibitor within a certain time frame. Is that the issue, or is it that judges should not show to judges? Sometimes judges have good dogs! <G> Just clarifying. Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================