That, too, is a "policy". It states " Advise potential exhibitors not to enter under you........ if the exhibitor is a person with whom you co-own dogs." Most judges respect the policies just as they do rules. Carolyn --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Robert Neiman <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Robert Neiman <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: handling for a judge To: ELG440@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 11:37 AM Yes but why put a judge in the position of being labeled a crook. You people went off like a bunch of maniacs on Ellen when she put Kent up in Canada after he'd handled for her and now it's okay to show to a judge you co-own with I don't think so. Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN Co-owner of UKC ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow --- On Sun, 9/6/09, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] handling for a judge To: pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 8:12 AM In a message dated 9/4/2009 4:54:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: And if you co-own a dog with Dave, you can't show to him at all.......... I wondered about this, and years ago, when we co-owned Panach with Cappy and Gloria I called the AKC to get a decision. I got an opinion, and then got it in writing. If you co-own with someone, you can show to that person, but not the dog you co-own. At dinner last night we talked about it again. Evidently Jenn Root also has the same question recently and she called the AKC. She got the same answer. You CAN show under a judge you co-own with, but not the dog you co-own. Tedi and I decided not to show our house dog yesterday under Dave to avoid any questions. It wasn't going to hold a major, so it made no difference. But, the answer is that co-owning with a judge, does not disqualify you from showing under that judge. The AKC makes a lot of rules to try to eliminate dishonesty. Those who would be dishonest work hard to find ways around them, such as changing ownership back and forth. The best solution is to be honest,and let the others worry about themselves. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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