I agree Barbara,like apple pie and mom, it should just be about the dogs. I thought both Dan and Jaime did just that. Happy Thankgiving. Bill Barbara or DTA Amidon <amidon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I get a kick out of those saying some Judges put up handlers..They won with a not so popular handler so the Judge is great??Like maybe the Judge was from there neck of the woods and knew the handler etc..???But the big time handler didnt win???Judge the dogs not the handler most good handlers have the best..I judged a National 8 years ago put up a male with an unknown handler,,Did that make me great or honest??I picked a lovely animal Tara Kridlers male Quno..Last National I did not put up Kent Boyles but went with th eAmerican bred with Diane Brown..Did that make me wonderful ???Give it up most Judges look at the animal not the handler so stop saying how great a Judge is because he dumped a well known handler ...Maybe the Judge has an agenda..Look at the dogs ..If Moses has the best dogs give his DOG THE WIN..If not go with the best dog..This thread is getting tiresome.. ANY WAY ON A LIGHTER NOTE Have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving Barbara Amidon www.amber-german-shepherds.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Basu Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:09 PM To: pruett@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: handler dominated... I thought that at this year's National Jamie Walker and Dan Smith judged dogs to the best of their ability. Handlers, owners,crowd support etc were not considered in making the choices they made and i for one appreciated their efforts. The more that happens the more positive the experience of showing dogs becomes. Let's hope this is a trend. Bill Laurie Pruett wrote: >On the other hand any judge that puts =20 >a kid or rank amateur up just because of that does the breed a great =20 >disservice >Fred Migliore And, any judge who puts up a handler just because he/she has a well-known = "face" also does the breed a great disservice as well... 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