Now Barbara, I didn't say all the dogs were going that way.(tho more then I care to say) And of course Rogue has a great head he goes back on our Dreamy Mimi, via Shooter(Jr. Exec. Sire), so I guess we can take some credit tooo Hah !!!! ;-) M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara or DTA Amidon" <amidon@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Barbara Lee WILLIAMS" <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:46:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [gsdshowlist] Head Pieces 2008 US National I am a bug about heads.My males have extremely strong heads and good underjaws..My Kahlua threw great heads and color..Look at the 2times select Champion Scherlos Rogue v Karizma.My snake males Champion Ambers Let it Ride and Ambers Jake both are extremely masculine..Barbara www.amber-german-shepherds.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Lee WILLIAMS Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:31 PM To: gsdshowlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lindenhill German Shepherds Subject: Re: [gsdshowlist] Head Pieces 2008 US National Mike: I haven't seen the photos, but this has been a LONG , LONG TIME Prevalent Problem in our American Bred GSD Breed. TOO Many Judges , pay LITTLE, or Absolutely NO Attention, to the IMPORTANCE OF STRONG SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS, giving it LITTLE ATTENTION OR ignoring it to the point of " NO IMPORTANCE!!! " And Ignoring THAT IT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR BREED!!!! I wrote an article, some years ago, about the problem of Our GSD Breed becoming a UNISEX Breed.. and lamenting the gradual, painful loss of The NOBLE HEAD and " LOOK of EAGLES ", which is the HALLMARK of this GSD Breed, in both sexes... When judging, I am well known for selecting those which exhibit Strong Secondary Sex Characteristics in both Dogs and Bitches..as one of my Prime Concerns... I learned that, from some of the most Honored Breed Great Specialty JUDGES, of Yesterdays... a well-known and accepted , at that time, FACT, that one could give a bit on a 'strong' bitch, because she would help in producing Magnificent Sons, but no quarter given on a 'Bitchy' male.. as it was believed that a Bitchy male would degenerate the Breed.. JMO Barb Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindenhill German Shepherds<mailto:Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: gsdshowlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:gsdshowlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [gsdshowlist] Head Pieces 2008 US National I'm curious, In reviewing some of the photo's on Avery's site, there appears to be a growing number of refined and dare I say Collie like head pieces exhibited at this years national(or at least a prevalance in the photo collection). I didn't go look at the results to see who any of them were, it was just a general impression dereived from the montage of photo's. Can anyone who was there, comment please? Thanks Michael Metz Lindenhill German Shepherds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================