This is a most interesting question - but - the words concerning when "we must draw the line" on when it's Ok to bite and not Ok to do so, are challenging! There are differences in the "when"! "Drawing the line" -- for YOUR interests needs to be "training" vs instincts as circumstances come into play big time. I had a set of encylopedias that burned with my home that I've never been able to replace. There were 16 volumes and they were about creatures of all kinds. I did spend more time studying the dog volumes than all the others put together. Knowing me, a lot stuck in my mind concerning them. I'll never forget the part about assistance dogs and the best breeds for same. It said that many will "without question" obey their trained minds. There weren't many who would go beyond the training and act on their own in a circumstance of danger to the human or to another animal, or a hazard that is not picked up by the human but the dog perceives the need to act beyond their trained personna. The German Shepherd Dog was noted as the most alert to the need to act instinctively against "training". However, depending on the strength of the human's bond or whatever, control of the dog can be automatic. This, at times, could really be bad if it counteracts the situation's need for an opposite behavior. I hope this makes sense to you because there is control and there is leniency (sp.) and crossing that line should, when talking of "man's helpmate" shouldn't happen. So, it is up to the human to decide how to handle any given situation depending on training or lack of same. Therefore, "drawing the line" should be an individual choice depending on the circumstances involved. Norma no L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Woods" <hollywoods@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] fine line I have noticed quite a few of you have had dogs that have killed bunnies, possums, birds etc.. Some think its yucky but not too bad... Where do you draw the line at what they killed... How about a little dog?... Same with not biting a person but its ok if the guy is a bad guy... but what if they just thought he was a bad guy... Just wondering where we draw the line on a dog being ok to bite something and not ok to bite something. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================