Absolutely true! We, too, show in both rings - our dogs usually finish with mostly all-breed points, add in a few (usually MAJOR) specialty points and then we go for the BOB wherever we can get them. We have owned/bred several dogs who have done that, namely CH Cresthaven's Cappuccino (Group winner, multiple group placings,multi BOB, BISS) CH Cresthaven's Sudden Impact (multiple group placings, even owner-handled, BISS) CH Cresthaven's Deja-Vu (BISS, Group winner) CH Donka's Viktor V Cresthaven (specialty majors, Group placings) CH Victory's Leviathan (specialty majors, multiple Group placings, Group winner. Now, I know no one knows or cares who we are - basically we are nobodies, even though we have been doing this for 20 years, but it CAN be done! A good dog is a good dog, no matter what venue they are shown in, and good presentation is a necessity. We have been fortunate to have had the knowledge and ability of several wonderful handlers who know how to show off a dog. Have we benefited at times from politics - probably, it does happen, not with all judges, but it does. By the same token, those same dogs have been able to win standing on just their merit. Terri Stout _Cresthaven Kennels_ (http://cresthavenkennels.com/) "Life is too short to wake up with regrets. So love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a chance, take it. If it changes your life, let it." In a message dated 6/17/2008 11:19:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pruett@xxxxxxxxx writes: I see good dogs in both rings - and I find that I can sort them out in a big or small ring. The truly correct GSD can handle a big or small ring and look good doing it. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================